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- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: kwrandolph AT gmail.com
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] SLM: Jacob's "ladder"
- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:22:09 -0500 (EST)
Karl: 1. The
problem with the “basket-elevator” idea is not linguistic, but rather is
historical and geographical. Jacob
had never seen an Egyptian pulley-system or a Babylonian pulley-system in
southern Mesopotamia, so he wouldn’t dream of such things, which did not exist
in 2.
University scholars who argue for an exilic dating of the Patriarchal
narratives make a linguistic argument similar to what you make, when you
say: “[SLM is] from a Hebrew root
indicating raising above, other derivatives include ramp, trellis for holding up
plants, raised highway….” That
works well for a Babylonian ziggurat, which Jews would see during the
Exile. But it doesn’t work for
Jacob, who had never seen a ziggurat, and whose religious imagery is not coming
from the Babylonians in southern Those two ideas are not a major linguistic problem, but they don’t work historically or geographically. 3. The purely linguistic argument only really bites as to the traditional view of a “ladder”. Contra most modern scholarly analysts, you assert: “…this derivative indicating a ladder….” Based on Hebrew linguistics [but not historically or geographically], SLM fits a ziggurat and ramps, not a ladder. Thus on a linguistic basis, scholar Robert Alter says: “Mesopotamian ziggurat…the structure envisioned is probably a vast ramp with terraced landings.” 4. You then say: “…or, as I have always pictured this, a stairway leading upwards.” But linguistically, “stairway” is like “ladder”, being hard to fit to the alleged Hebrew roots of SLM. “Ramp” fits much better regarding Hebrew linguistics, but that once again would be a Mesopotamian ziggurat. 5. By
contrast, my proposal of a Hurrian loanword eliminates all of these
problems. The Hurrian common word
$ilum, which might well come into
Hebrew as SLM as a Hurrian loanword during the Amarna Age [being the only time
when Hurrian princelings dominated the ruling class of Unlike all other proposals I have seen, my
proposed Hurrian loanword gambit for the mysterious Hebrew common word SLM fits
linguistically, historically and geographically, while in no way impinging on
the 100% Hebrew-ness and true antiquity of this memorable Hebrew religious
concept. Jim Stinehart |
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Re: [b-hebrew] SLM: Jacob's "ladder",
JimStinehart, 11/28/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] SLM: Jacob's "ladder", K Randolph, 11/29/2012
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