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["Peter Streitenberger" <ps2866 AT bingo-ev.de>]

Dear Friends,

ok, I understand ! Thank you all...Maybe I saw matters from a German point of view. “But” requires a pair of opposite propositions in a text there, which I cannot find in the passage of Psalm 22.

Yours
Peter Streitenberger, Germany

 

From: George Athas

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:36 AM

To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 22,3

 

To follow up James' point, disjunctive syntax is usually conveyed by a non-verb in first position within a clause. The use of conjunction waw means that there is still a connection being made with the previous clause (ie. this is not asyndeton), but usually this will be conveyed by a disjunctive conjunction like 'but'.

GEORGE ATHAS

Dean of Research,

Moore Theological College (Sydney, Australia)

 

On 26/10/2012, at 5:50 AM, "James Spinti" <jspinti AT eisenbrauns.com> wrote:

And, to get grammatical here, the verse is disjunctive--it begins with a non-verb. In English, that usually requires a "but" translation.

James
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On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Lee Moses wrote:

Peter,

I concur with Karl.  The conjunction at the beginning of verse 4 does not represent a continuation of the previous train of thought, but a contrast.  The previous verses discuss God's apparent failure to respond to the psalmist, which stands in stark contrast to God's past dealings with אֲבֹתֵינוּ.

Sincerely,

Lee Moses

Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:28:52 -0700

From: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 22,3

To: Peter Streitenberger <ps2866 AT bingo-ev.de>

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Peter:

The Hebrew numbering is verse four.

I think that many translators read verse four as starting a new idea,

contrasted with what was written earlier in the psalm. Hence the ?but?.

Karl W. Randolph.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Peter Streitenberger <ps2866 AT bingo-ev.de>wrote:

Dear Hebrew-Friends,

in most of our German translations Psa 22,3 begins with ?but?: ?But You

are holy?

What is the case for it ? I don?t see any contrast or two opposite

thoughts in this section.

Can anyone help me ?

Yours

Peter M. Streitenberger, Germany

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