Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>]

The grammar you espouse is irrelevant for the attached or inserted  
personal pronouns. What does it matter what is the "gender" of the  
object? A personal pronoun is merely a universal name, or identifying  
tag, temporarily attached to the object referred to.
I have given these examples before:

DAT, 'religion', DAT-IY = DAT-HIY, '(he is a) religious man', DAT-IY  
= DAT-ANIY, 'my religion', DAT-O = DAT-HU, 'his religion', DAT-AM =  
DAT-HEM, 'their religion'.

AS-U-R = AR-HU-R, '(he is) bound', AS-IY-R =AS-HI-R, '(he is a)  
prisoner'.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:

> isaac,
>
> i was really trying to encapsulate my objection into a nutshell,  
> but now there is no escape from
> a more detailed account. actually, my remark about gender  
> generalizes also to person.
>
> in isa 22:4, if you changed the pronoun from ANI to HU/HI etc the  
> minni will change to mimkha/mimekh etc, making a difference. thus,  
> separating MINNI ("from me") to MIN+ANI, as you did, at least makes  
> grammatical sense, because person/gender etc are indeed involved.
>
> now, in job 31:7 if you change the noun DEREKH to, say, HAR or YAM  
> (masculine), or AZ (not even a noun) the minni will not change.  
> thus, in this case, separating MINNI to MIN+HI, as you also did  
> (furthermore, specifically arguing that HI represents the noun  
> DEREKH) makes absolutely no grammatical sense, because in the  
> phoneme MINNI (="from") person and gender are not yet specified.  
> only the word which follows may specify them (or may choose not to):
>
>                               MINNI DEREKH (f), MINNI YAM(m), MINNI  
> HAR(m), MINNI AZ(-).
>
> (the reason i ignored person in my first response is that in this  
> construction the only possible person value can be 3rd.)
>
> nir cohen
>
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 06:15:03 -0500, Isaac Fried wrote
> > I am afraid you are looking for "gender" where there is none. In  
> Hebrew a boy says (actually identify or tag himself)
> > as ANIY אני and so does a girl.
> >
> > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> >
> > On Jan 6, 2012, at 2:22 AM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:
> > > i fully agree that Isa 22:4 minniy expresses gender ("from me")  
> > whereas job
> > > 31:7 does not express gender ("from"). so, the HI=road part must  
> > be wrong.
> > >
> > > nir cohen
>
>
>
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