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- From: Will Parsons <wbparsons AT alum.mit.edu>
- To: randallbuth AT gmail.com
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org, JimStinehart AT aol.com
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?
- Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:00:17 +0300, Randall Buth <randallbuth AT gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:07 PM, <JimStinehart AT aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Randall Buth:****
>>
>> You wrote: “[G]oats are feminine. Check out עזים. Gen 15.9. In this case
>> יעל is a female ya`el.”
Is this the right reference?
> My point is that 'goats' have a masculine looking form and a masculine
> looking plural, yet they are "feminine".
If יעל/ya`el has a masculine looking form and a masculine looking plural, it
seems that the only reason for not thinking it masculine would be to find
instances where it is associated with a feminine adjective or verb form. Do
we have that? Finding a semantically similar word עז/`ez used as a feminine
(I assume it *is* used as a feminine - I didn't see it in Gen. 15.9 and in
Gen. 27.9 it is used with a masculine adjective) is suggestive, but I think
not enough to prove the gender of ya`el.
> So there really isn't any problem in applying ya`el to a girl. the ya`el is
> a goat. A majestic goat to be sure.
> As for the masculinity of ya`el, is/was there any concord with the other
> occurrences in the Bible to show that ya`el was always 'masculine-only'?
If there's no proof from concord, it might be reasonable to consider the word
applicable to both sexes, although the fact that a specifically feminine form
יעלה/ya`ala exists would seem to make that a more natural choice for a woman's
name.
> Other 'cross-forms' exist. For example "qohelet" appears to be the 'convener
> of an assembly" and was masculine, yet the form with" -et" is distinctively
> 'feminine'.
> And we have Yona, a man's name formed from a feminine noun.
--
Will Parsons
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[b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Randall Buth, 10/04/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
JimStinehart, 10/04/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Randall Buth, 10/04/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Will Parsons, 10/04/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Randall Buth, 10/05/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?, Will Parsons, 10/05/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Randall Buth, 10/05/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Will Parsons, 10/04/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Randall Buth, 10/04/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?, JimStinehart, 10/04/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
JimStinehart, 10/06/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Isaac Fried, 10/06/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
jimstinehart, 10/06/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Isaac Fried, 10/06/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?, jimstinehart, 10/06/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Will Parsons, 10/06/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?, Isaac Fried, 10/06/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Isaac Fried, 10/06/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
jimstinehart, 10/06/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Heber's Wife Jael: "Male Ibex"?,
Isaac Fried, 10/06/2011
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