Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David Kolinsky <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net>]

Isaac and Nir,

The root ShMR is an extension of SYM = put, place, impose, label; therefore:
             ShM\ - listen is literally "stay put and pay attention / listen"
             ShMSh - wait upon, attend to is literally "stay put so as to 
attend to"
             ShMR - watch, guard is literally "stay put and watch / guard"
             (SMR) In Arabic : (stay put > stand around >) 
                                   to chat, converse; 
                                   to turn brown; 
                                   to fasten, nail; pin, rivet, peg, 
                                   corn;
and therefore   ShAMIR, Isaiah 5:6, is brier (what pins / rivets itself into 
the skin)


The root DBSh comes from the root DWB / DB / DBB, which basically means to 
flow outward / extend outward as in Arabic - DB = crawl, creep, move slowly, 
go on all fours, 
fill, pervade, invade, stream in, rush in; bear, sand hill, tiny animal, 
insect.  So 'honey' is a substance that "moves along slowly and creeps 
along." I suppose that DBShth, 'hump', has something to do with the near 
fluidity of the fat in the hump being similar to honey.  By the way, although 
the piel of DBR is most of the time used to mean speak in Hebrew, it also 
means "to drive over, barrel down, to kill (CrII23:10)" hence DeBheR is a 
plague or pestilence. It is thus related to DB/ (flow outward with force, 
effort) strength, prime(Dt33:25) 
and DBB to murmur(Ss7:10)  but also to exude  (Talmud - YBM 97a). 

The root LBN is much more complicated.  It essentially comes from LBH which 
itself comes from LWH which means to join with and cling to.  Therefore the 
words derived from LBH mean either:
       A - centered, fixed in place (found in Arabic as LB, LBTh, LBD, LBLB) 
       B - clinging, layered out 
       C - heartily, vibrant, lively, exuberant (coming from >
            (cling, attached) heart of / center of (Ex3:2) leading to heart, 
hearty etc

LBN (brick) is related to LBSh (clothe, wear), LBNh (frankincense), and LBB 
(to layer a 
cake - (SmII13:6,8))  all essentially meaning to layer.  LBN white probably 
comes from either (baked brick turning white, or frankincense being white, or 
the layers of snow on mount Lebanon being white.  Although, I feel less 
confident regarding Lebanon - is it layers of mountain, snow, or white capped?

RIMON : I am not sure what this refers to > 2R 5:18.
RiMoN - pomegranate is related to RM meaning "high, tall" and since what goes 
up must come down and most often in an arch. RMH means to arch, throw, a worm 
(arching) and RiMon pomegranate is probably from the arching of the fruit and 
peel / pulp around the seeds.  RMH > RMCh spear (what arches in the sky when 
thrown). 

And of course RMH (to pull s.th over on s.o)  to deceive (Pr26:19) 


Thanks for your time,

David Kolinsky
Monterey, CA

From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
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Here is something to think about. What is the relationship between  
the plant name $AMIR, Isaiah 5:6, and $MIR-AH, 'guarding'? Also,  
between DBA$, 'honey', and DABE$-ET, 'hump', Isaiah 30:6, and what  
is, then, the meaning of the root DB$? Is mount LBANON so called  
because it is capped white, or vice versa? Is the LBEN-AH, 'brick',  
white? Is the LBIB-AH, 'pancake', LBAB-IT?
RIMON is an idol name possibly related to RAM or RAAM. See 2R 5:18.

Isaac Fried, Boston university

On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:

> in josh 12-21 i found the following places which relate to animals  
> and plants: rimon, gat-rimon, dabeshet.
>
> then i also found these:
>
> shamir, sela' harimon, levonah.
>
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> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nir cohen - Prof.
> Mat.
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 10:26 PM
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> Subject: [b-hebrew] a new thread
>
> i want to suggest the following thread for consideration: hell explained.
> below i give one polemical explanation coming from physics. please
> ignore it if you have seen it before.
>
> ------------------------
>
> The following is an actual question given on a University of Arizona
> chemistry mid-term, and an actual answer turned in by a student.
***

I've known that story for about 30 years.
It probably existed before.
Did it cross the Atlantic recently ?

A.
***


>
> The answer by this student was so 'profound' that the professor shared
> it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now
> have the pleasure of enjoying it as well :
>
> Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic
> (absorbs heat)?
>
> Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law
> (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some
> variant.
***

This law applies to so-called "Ideal Gases" (French is Gaz Parfait)
If a soul behaves like a Perfect or Ideal Gas, what the h*ll is it doing
there?

A.
***


>
> One student, however, wrote the following:
>
> First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time.  So
> we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the
> rate at which they are leaving, which is unlikely.  I think that we
> can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave.
> Therefore, no souls are leaving.  As for how many souls are entering
> Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world
> today.
>
> Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their
> religion, you will go to Hell.  Since there is more than one of these
> religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we
> can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as
> they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase
> exponentially.  Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in
> Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and
> pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand
> proportionately as souls are added.
>
> This gives two possibilities:
>
> 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls
> enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase
> until all Hell breaks loose.

***

What is the volume of a soul ?
What does expansion mean ?
At what temperature(s) do souls enter ?
Break loose into what ?

Etc.

A.
***

>
> 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in
> Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes
> over.
>
> So which is it?
>
> If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman
> year that, 'It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,'
> and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then
> number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic
> and has already frozen over.  The corollary of this theory is that
> since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any
> more souls and is therefore, extinct... ....leaving only Heaven,
> thereby proving the existence of a divine being; which explains why,
> last night, Teresa kept shouting 'Oh my God.'
>
> THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+.
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Examinators should receive an E-.

But that guy should specialize in Marketing or Ads...
And take care not to end up in jail.


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