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  • From: "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud AT wanadoo.fr>
  • To: <JimStinehart AT aol.com>, <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran
  • Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:04:04 +0100


From: JimStinehart AT aol.com

1. $e-e-ir-ri at the Mitanni Letter IV: 115-118 obviously is some kind of a divine reference, in context.
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Obviously not, as the word does not have a Dingir determinative.
A.
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I will accept your analysis that the meaning, however, is not “(Divine) King”, as I initially had thought.

2. $e-e-ri in Amarna Letter EA 288: 26 is the same Hurrian word, but this time it’s referring to a city north of the Dead Sea. The importance of this city name being a divine Hurrian reference in the Mitanni Letter is that it makes perfect sense for Genesis 14: 6 to be telling us that XR-Y lived there. It’s no surprise that Hurrians live at a place with a Hurrian name.
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How long will you keep asserting that kind of sheer absurdity?
You keep transforming into pseudo-Hurrian words, words that are borrowings from Semitic and Akkadian in the first place.
Sharri written SHAR-Ri "king" is obviously borrowed from Akkadian.
Nearly all the words that you want to be "Hurrian" are Semitic in the first place.
A.
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3. Each of $e-e-ir-ri and $e-e-ri is close to the Biblical rendering, which probably initially was $(-R, and in the received text is $(-YR. Since Hurrian has so many vowels, it was necessary for the early Hebrew author to use a letter not found in Hurrian, ayin, to represent Hurrian vowels in order to show the multi-syllabic aspect of this Hurrian name.

4. The Biblical name )L P-)R-N matches beautifully to the Hurrian word “eli pu-ur-ni”.
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eli is not a Hurrian word but a borrowing from Akkadian.
A.
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Once again, it makes sense for Genesis 14: 6 to be telling us that the Hurrians/XR-Y lived at a place with a Hurrian name. The Hurrians were never south of the Dead Sea, but are attested in Amarna Letter EA 197 as being in the central Transjordan north of the Dead Sea.

5. The point is that Genesis 14: 6 tells us that the XR-Y were living at two places that have Hurrian names (even though it seems that I initially misinterpreted the meaning of one of those Hurrian names). Places with Hurrian names cannot be south of the Dead Sea, much less at the Gulf of Aqaba, so the traditional interpretation of Genesis 14: 6 needs to be jettisoned. Genesis 14: 6 and Amarna Letter EA 197 are in fact reporting the same historical event, though naturally Genesis 14: 6 reports this from a Hebrew point of view.
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When do you plan to quit that theory?
Everybody told you it just does not work in any possible way.
Do you understand the word "procrustean mould"?
You keep distorting and ripping apart the words to make them what they obviously are not.
Adding, erasing and changing the letters to achieve impossible equations.

Arnaud Fournet





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