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- From: "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud AT wanadoo.fr>
- To: <JimStinehart AT aol.com>, <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran
- Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:09:24 +0100
From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
Dr. Fournet:
A. You wrote: “1. Serri or Sarri is not a Hurrian word but a Semitic borrowing.
In all cases, the root is S_r, there is no (.
2. “(God Is) King” cannot be a possible Hurrian name.
In addition Hurrians were not monotheistic.”
Here is the standard translation of Mitanni Letter IV: 115-118:
“As by $eri [$e-e-ir-ri], and your [Egyptian] god our life and our fate are determined, may the gods guide both of us together, Te$up and Amanu, our lords [ip-ri-iw-we-$u-u$], our fathers.”
1. Your translation of $e-e-ir-ri as “king” is inadequate, as it is clear from the context that a divine meaning is intended here. That’s why I said the implication was “(God Is) King” as the name of a city. As you well know, the most common second element of a Hurrian name is -iya, being a generalized theophoric reference.
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That part of the letter, especially IV: 114-115 is damaged.
It's not even clear that Serri is a member of the next sentence.
In addition, king or lord is always written Sar-ri with two signs, so it's quite obvious that there is a problem in interpreting Se-e-ir-ri as the same word.
For your information Sarru is a word that has a lateral fricative in Proto-Semitic (Cf. sin in HEbrew).
There's a tendency in Hurrian to write that kind of borrowings with lateral fricatives with a particular set of signs (sa, si11, su).
There's no doubt that the translation of Se-e-ir-ri as "lord" or "king" is false.
A.
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2. The Hurrians certainly weren’t monotheistic, as here they reference both Te$up and Amen.
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Amanu is clearly the gods of the Egyptians in the letter.
A.
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3. Your transliteration “$erri” is inadequate, and hides the comparison to the Biblical spelling. The word is $e-e-ir-ri in the Mitanni Letter (per the original German transliteration), and $e-e-ri in Amarna Letter EA 288: 26 (per Anson Rainey). Those middle vowels are represented by ayin in Hebrew. Indeed, the later Hebrew spelling, $(-YR, is fairly close to $e-e-ir, while not being as close to your truncated $erri.
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I don't know if you are pulling my legs, but all that is nonsense, right?
A.
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4. Since Phoenician and Punic authors used ayin to represent an interior vowel in a name, the early Hebrew author of the Patriarchal narratives could use the same technique in recording Hurrian names. $R was not an option here, because he had to show that this was a multiple-syllable Hurrian name. $(-R works very nicely.
B. In the context of a sentence (Genesis 14: 6) that is expressly telling us where XR-Y live:
(a) $(-YR = $e-e-ir-ri = $e-e-ri
(b) )L P-)R-N = eli pu-ur-ni
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This is nonsense.
Arnaud Fournet
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[b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran,
JimStinehart, 12/13/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran, Arnaud Fournet, 12/14/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran,
JimStinehart, 12/14/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran, Arnaud Fournet, 12/14/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran, Arnaud Fournet, 12/14/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran,
JimStinehart, 12/14/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran,
Arnaud Fournet, 12/15/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran, jimstinehart, 12/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Seir and El Paran,
Arnaud Fournet, 12/15/2010
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