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  • From: "Steve Miller" <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] second crackpot idea- Zech. 12
  • Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:17:08 -0500

> From: kenneth greifer Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:49 AM
>
> I like this alternative translation of Zech. 12:10. Maybe it says "...and
they will look
> to Me with whom they pierced, and they will mourn about him..."

[Steve Miller] Kenneth, from the use of et in the Bible, I think that "et"
can mean "with" (or "for" or "to" depending on the verb) only in certain
situations:
1) connecting 2 nouns
2) with an intransitive or reflexive verb
3) when there is another direct object.
4) with communication verbs et can precede the thing communicated (i.e.
devarim) as the direct obj marker, or it can precede the receiver of the
communication as a preposition "with" or "to". This may be true of other
verbs where direct object and the indirect object cannot be confused.

The verb "pierced" never takes the preposition meaning of et. Also
"pierced" always takes a direct object. So in Zec 12:10, et marks "whom" as
the direct object of "pierced".

>
> 1 Samuel 30:23 could say "...you will not do thus, my brothers, with what
(et asher)
> the L-rd has given to us." This could be similar to Zech. 12:10 "et
asher".

[Steve Miller] I agree that the above is the meaning of 1 Sam 30:23, but
"with" in this verse means something very different than "with" in your
proposed translation of Zech 12:10. "Et" is the dir obj marker here as in,
"Do not make what the Lord has given us into this". "Do with" is the
meaning of the verb asa here.

The witness to search for would not be "et asher" but "pierced" followed by
"et".

>
> Zech. 9:1 could say "to the L-rd is the eye of a man (mankind?) and all of
the tribes
> of Israel." Some quotes use "adam" as "a man". Lev. 1:2, Numb. 19:14, Neh.
2:10,
> Eccl. 11:8. And Zech. 9:14 also says G-d will be seen over Israel.

[Steve Miller] sounds ok.
>
> There are many quotes that mention people or nations being pierced in
different
> ways. Zechariah 9:13 mentions a sword or arrow against Javan. Both can
pierce.
> Zech. 12:3 says Israel will be a stone that cuts (pierces?) nations. Zech.
11:17 a
> shepherd slashed by a sword. Zech. 13:3 and 13:7 also sound similar.
>
[Steve Miller] Also Zech 3:9, the engraving on the stone
Zec 11:10-11 cutting the staff Beauty, and 11:14 cutting the staff Bonds.

> Kenneth Greifer

[Steve Miller]
Sincerely,
-Steve Miller
Detroit
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