Skip to Content.
Sympa Menu

b-hebrew - Re: [b-hebrew] Aramaic to Hebrew language switch?

b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Biblical Hebrew Forum

List archive

Chronological Thread  
  • From: "Jack Kilmon" <jkilmon AT historian.net>
  • To: "Donald R. Vance, Ph.D." <donaldrvance AT mac.com>
  • Cc: Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Aramaic to Hebrew language switch?
  • Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:24:24 -0500

OK, Don. If early 6th century BCE is....say 590 BCE...and "Ralph" wrote it in 550 BCE (still conforming to the settlement dates for the places listed in Joshua 15), we are 40 years apart. I'll take it.

Jack

Jack Kilmon
San Antonio, TX

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Donald R. Vance, Ph.D." <donaldrvance AT mac.com>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:23 PM
To: "Jack Kilmon" <jkilmon AT historian.net>
Cc: "Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Aramaic to Hebrew language switch?

This is demonstrably false. On internal, non-linguistic, and linguistic grounds, Joshua-2 Kings was composed circa 550 B.C. by a single author. Who? Who knows. Call him Ralph. As for the Pentateuch, the language is consistent in the main with the Prophetic History, but parts are earlier. However, Hebrew language is notoriously difficult to date qua language. So we can only speculate as to the composition of the Pentateuch and its date.




Donald R. Vance, Ph.D.
Professor of Biblical Languages and Literature
Oral Roberts University
dvance AT oru.edu
donaldrvance AT mac.com


On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Jack Kilmon wrote:




From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:17 AM
To: jkilmon AT historian.net
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Aramaic to Hebrew language switch?



--------------------------------------------------
From: <JimStinehart AT aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:10 PM
To: <randallbuth AT gmail.com>; <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Aramaic to Hebrew language switch?


Ed Walkwitz and Randall Buth:

In my considered opinion, the traditional interpretation of the
Patriarchal
narratives as to Abraham’s origins is completely erroneous, both textually
and historically. I view the Patriarchal narratives as portraying Abraham
as being indigenous to Canaan. That is why the first Hebrews and the
Canaa
nites spoke the same language, having only minor dialectal differences.
The
Patriarchal narratives open with Abraham on a one-time caravan trip from
Canaan way out to Ur in southern Kassite Babylonia, to buy lapis lazuli as
commercial merchandise. No, the early Hebrews weren’t professional
merchants,
but this was a one-time desperation move in the face of having recently
been
reduced to living in tents in Canaan (whereas Abraham’s father, Terakh, as
a
young man, and Terakh’s ancestors at all times, had lived in settled
villages in a more peaceful, prosperous Canaan).

Thus YHWH speaks to Abraham at Genesis 12: 1 in perfect Hebrew, a language
that Abraham learned at his mother’s knee and spoke as a native.



I always find such historical/linguistic speculation based on Biblical
narrative to be to be very awkward. It places the critical historian in the
uncomfortable position of challenging faith-based opinion and concepts. The
Biblical texts Genesis-2Kings were composed in Hebrew in the late 7th
century-early 6th century BCE. Place names and borders fit perfectly with
the reign of Josiah. The chronological context for the Patriarchal
Narrative, aside from arguments regarding historicity, is sometime in Middle
Bronze Age II (1950-1550) around 1800 BCE. The Hebrew language of the
Biblical texts did not exist at this time but if used broadly and
anachronistically for Canaanite, there was indeed a Canaanite language even
if the acrophonic abjad was not yet developed. There was also a wave of
Aramaean migration in the 2nd millennium BCE. There was a Canaanite
language in the Middle Bronze Age which a "Wandering Aramaean" could have
adopted. Canaan and Phoenicia are the same, both mean "Land of purple."
If Abraham was an historical person who migrated to Canaan with his family
in the Bronze Age, it is safe to assume they adopted the language and spoke
"purplish." When a loose confederation of nomadic tribes in Canaan became
"Hebrews" is a separate argument.

Jack

Jack Kilmon
San Antonio, TX
_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew







Archive powered by MHonArc 2.6.24.

Top of Page