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- From: jimstinehart AT aol.com
- To: LBReich AT alum.mit.edu, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L
- Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:38:27 -0400
Lewis Reich:
I hope you were not replying to me off-list (because your comment is of
general interest), when you wrote: “The Masoretic pointing may have been set
down in the Middle Ages, but that doesn't mean the Masoretes simply sat down
and came up with pointing off the tops of their heads. They were the
recipients of a continuous oral tradition of reading that may have gone back
as much as a thousand years or more.”
The Masoretic pointing was done in the Middle Ages. Using your view that the
Masoretic pointing may reflect an oral tradition “that may have gone back as
much as a thousand years or more”, that would get us back to the late 1st
millennium BCE or so. But that’s over 1,000 years after (i) Ugarit went
extinct, (ii) the Hittites went extinct, and (iii) chapter 14 of Genesis was
composed (based on the majority view of mainstream scholars). Accordingly,
for a truly ancient Biblical text like that, the Ugaritic spelling is much
more relevant than is the medieval Masoretic pointing. We see
letter-for-letter spelling accuracy in comparing Biblical TD(L/Tudhaliya to
the Ugaritic spelling of that Hittite kingly name from the 14th century BCE
or so.
This part of the Bible has incredible historical accuracy. If we look to
non-biblical sources from the Late Bronze Age, almost every aspect of Genesis
14: 1-11 checks out perfectly, once one realizes that a non-royal author
would be expected to use nicknames for living rulers, per the consistent
practice attested in the Amarna Letters. TD(L/Tudhaliya is an appropriate
n-i-c-k-n-a-m-e for an historical Hittite king who meets both of the
following two key criteria: (i) historically he did everything that Biblical
TD(L is portrayed as doing at Genesis 14: 1-11, and (ii) it would make
complete sense for an early Hebrew author to use “Tudhaliya” as this
historical Hittite king’s nickname (even though his name was nothing like
“Tudhaliya”).
The letter-for-letter spelling accuracy here compared to the Late Bronze Age
Ugaritic source for this name also suggests that this ancient part of the
Bible may have been committed to writing much earlier than scholars have
thought. This part of the Bible is truly ancient, and very accurate. It
pre-dates the medieval Masoretic pointing by 2,000 years or more. That
medieval pointing should not be relied upon to try to undercut the pinpoint
historical accuracy of Genesis 14: 1-11. Nor should Ezra or Daniel. Rather,
the way to check out (and confirm) the pinpoint historical accuracy of this
ancient Biblical text is to compare it to the abundant non-biblical sources
we have for the Late Bronze Age.
Jim Stinehart
Evanston, Illinois
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[b-hebrew] TD(L,
jimstinehart, 08/06/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L, jimstinehart, 08/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L,
jimstinehart, 08/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L,
Lewis Reich, 08/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L,
Arnaud Fournet, 08/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L,
jimstinehart, 08/10/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L, K Randolph, 08/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L,
jimstinehart, 08/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L,
Arnaud Fournet, 08/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L,
Lewis Reich, 08/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] TD(L,
JimStinehart, 08/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L,
Bryant J. Williams III, 08/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L,
Jack Kilmon, 08/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L,
Bryant J. Williams III, 08/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L,
K Randolph, 08/12/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L, George Athas, 08/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L,
K Randolph, 08/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L,
Bryant J. Williams III, 08/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L,
Jack Kilmon, 08/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchal Narratives was TD(L,
Bryant J. Williams III, 08/11/2010
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