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[James Christian <jc.bhebrew AT googlemail.com>]

For the benefit of the list members here is a transcription of EA 175:

175:001  [a-na ]LUGAL EN-ia DINGIR[-ia d.UTU-]ia
175:002  [qí]-bí-ma
175:003  [um-m]a ìl-da-a-ya Ì[R-ka]
175:004  L[Ú] KUR ha-sí a-na $u-pa-li
175:005  up-ri GÌR-pí LUGAL EN-ia
175:006  7 ù 7 am-qú-ut
175:007  a-mur-mi né-e-nu e-ba-$[a-]nu
175:008  a-na KUR am-qí URU.DIDLI.HÁ LUGA[L] E[N-]ia
175:009  ù a-li-uk m.e[-tá-kà-m]a
175:010  LÚ KUR qí-in-sà a-[na pa-ni]
175:011  ÉRIN.MEß ha-at[-ta]
175:012  [ù $]a-[k]a4-[an URU.DIDLI.HÁ]
175:013  [LUGAL EN-ia a-na e-$a-ti]
175:014  [ù li-di-mi LUGAL EN-ia]
175:015  [ù li-di-na LUGAL EN-ia ]
175:016  [ÉRIN.MEß pí-µá-a-te]
175:017  [ù ni-pu-u$ URU.DIDLI.HÁ         ]
175:018  LU[GAL EN-ia
175:019  ù [ni-$a-a]b <URU.DIDLI.HÁ>
175:020  a-na [L]UG[AL] E[N]-ia
175:÷÷÷÷÷

As you can see it is highly reconstructed. The mention of Hasi is in line
003 (ildaaya).

James Christian

On 8 May 2010 08:40, James Christian <jc.bhebrew AT googlemail.com> wrote:

> Also,
>
> could you please show me where in EA175 there is this reference to the
> Amorites being in the Beqa Valley that you keep talking about?
>
> http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/semitic/EA163-262.html
>
> <http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/semitic/EA163-262.html>James Christian
>
>
> On 8 May 2010 08:34, James Christian <jc.bhebrew AT googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> several issues here. Firstly, this thread is about the Amorites. Please
>> don't polute with a discussion about the Horites versus Hurrians. There's
>> another thread for that discussion.
>>
>> Secondly, please stop presenting arguments against an identification of
>> Kadesh-Barnea or the Gulf of Aqaba. The last I checked nobody is 
>> disagreeing
>> with you on this. Qadesh was a common name.
>>
>> Thirdly, we had a thread about El Paran and the evidence is against your
>> theory of Oak tree. Alon means Oak tree. Tereminthos means turpentine tree.
>> But please don't polute a discussion about the reach of the Amorites with
>> these kind of issues.
>>
>> Finally, you eventually said something on topic. You have singled out one
>> particular period in one particular Amarna letter EA175 and limited the
>> Amorites to Hasi in the Beqa Valley. The Amorites were primarily nomadic 
>> and
>> their reach was far beyond one particular city in one particular valley.
>> They were all over the place causing an annoyance to neighbours in all
>> directions. They were so abundant that the Term Amorite was almost 
>> perfectly
>> synonymous with the term Canaanite. You seem to have gotten hung up on one
>> particular source and be trying to make the story fit into that source in a
>> time period which doesn't even align well.
>>
>> In short, if you want to continue a discussion about the reach of the
>> Amorites in various periods then I'm happy to continue analysing the data
>> with you but please stay on topic without relying on massively embedded if
>> clauses and circular logic.
>>
>> James Christian
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2010 05:37, <jimstinehart AT aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Dear Everyone:
>>> 1.  Hurrians
>>> If the author of Genesis 14: 6 wanted to reference the historical
>>> Hurrians who historically lived in the Transjordan in the Late Bronze Age
>>> (per Amarna Letter EA 197), the most he could be expected to do is to 
>>> refer
>>> to XRY/Horites/Hurrians, and use three words that are redolent of the
>>> Transjordan:  (i) HRRM/hill country;  (ii) %(YR/Seir/well-wooded;  and
>>> (iii) )YL/a magnificent, mighty oak tree.
>>> 2.  Qadesh
>>> If the author of Genesis 14: 7 wanted to reference historical Qadesh of
>>> Upper Galilee, an important city in the Late Bronze Age, the most he could
>>> be expected to do is to use the historically-attested exact spelling from
>>> Ugaritic literature, QD$, and pair it with a reference to (YN M$P+/En
>>> Mishpat/Eye on Seat of Justice/Eye on Mt. Hermon/Facing (the Radiance of)
>>> Mt. Hermon.
>>> 3.  Amorites
>>> If the author of Genesis 14: 7 wanted to reference the historical
>>> Amorites who, per Amarna Letter EA 175, historically were at Hasi in the
>>> Beqa Valley in the Late Bronze Age, the most he could be expected to do is
>>> to refer to )MRY/Amorites, after the troops of the 4 attacking rulers had
>>> “returned”/$WB from the central Transjordan to the Ashteroth area and then
>>> came to Qadesh of Upper Galilee, going north into the Beqa Valley where 
>>> the
>>> Amorites historically lived at Hasi.
>>> Genesis 14: 6-7 is fully historical in a Late Bronze Age historical
>>> context, and uses fully historical nomenclature.  It’s a perfect match
>>> to the world of the Amarna Letters in Year 14, a world that knew no
>>> wilderness of Zin and no Gulf of Aqaba, no troglodyte cave-dwellers south 
>>> of
>>> the Dead Sea, and no Kadesh-barnea.
>>> Jim Stinehart
>>> Evanston, Illinois
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: James Christian <jc.bhebrew AT googlemail.com>
>>> To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 2:05 am
>>> Subject: [b-hebrew] The Amorites
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> the Amorites are identified with the Martu of Akkadian literature. Here is
>>> an example of the way they were viewed by their Sumerian neighbours:
>>>
>>> *The MAR.TU who know no grain.... The MAR.TU who know no house nor town, 
>>> the
>>> boors of the mountains.... The MAR.TU who digs up truffles... who does not
>>> bend his knees (to cultivate the land), who eats raw meat, who has no 
>>> house
>>> during his lifetime, who is not buried after death.*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> The Amorites were primarily a nomadic people. They did not respect
>>> territorial boundaries and wandered wherever they pleased so their cattle
>>> could eat whatever the land offered. Civilised neighbours who worked and
>>> cultivated the land obviously did not take a liking to Amorite tribes
>>> wandering in and eating the fruits of their labours.
>>>
>>> The assumption that the wandering Amorites never reached as far as Oases 
>>> to
>>> the South of Dead Sea is not only baseless but almost certainly incorrect.
>>>
>>> James Christian
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