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George Athas asks:

Dave,

Please make sure your posts to B-Hebrew are specifically about discussion
at B-Hebrew. Thanks.



GEORGE ATHAS
Co-Moderator, B-Hebrew
(Sydney, Australia)
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Hi George,

After I invited Karl Randolph to go to Wikinfo and try to derive
Yehonathan from "Yahweh",
Karl went to the Discussion section of the Wikinfo Article, and noticed a
comment that someone had posted,
and returned to b-hebrew and commented on it.  

Karl wrote:

>>>
Dave & Garth:

I just went to your site, and notice that someone in the discussion
section
indicated how the theophoric names could have been derived from ????
[i.e. YHWH] in one
step, or two steps—just take off the final -H and stick it on the front.
>>>

George,

Now that Karl has raised a question on b-hebrew, concerning a comment
made in the Wikinfo Article, 
can that comment found in the Wikinfo Article, be discussed on B-hebrew?

Sincerely yours,
Dave Donnelly
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Subject: [b-hebrew] VanderKam 2nd ed. DSS Today (2010) on Sadducees
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Yesterday arrived the brand new second edition of James C. vanderKam, the Dead
Sea Scrolls Today (Eerdmans, 2010). Even if you read the first edition, I
recommend also reading the new edition. For a sample here are two paragraphs
from a longer discussion of the proposal that Sadducees resided at Qumran
(pages 120-121):

"The Sadducees and the Essenes may well have agreed with one another on many
laws or other points; they presumably did not disagree about everything. from 
a
historical perspective, one would expect Sadducees and Essenes to share some
views because both had deep priestly roots. The Qumran group may have been
founded and led by priests who called themselves [though not the whole group--
SG] sons of Zadok..., while the term _Sadducee_ seems to be derived from the
name Zadok....Both parties opposed what they understood to be the Pharisaic
tendency to soften some laws and to modify the related penalties. [p. 121] 
That
is, one reason why they shared some legal views is that both were conservative
on matters relating to the law.

The nature of the data from the Mishnah...hardly matches the amount and
character of the earlier information from Josephus, Pliny, and others that has
led many to identify the Qumranites as Essenes. That Qumran views and those
attributed to the Sadducees correspond for a few individual laws does not
entail that the Qumran group was Sadducean in any sense in which that name is
commonly employed today. After all, the Qumran manuscripts teach such 
prominent
anti-Sadducean doctrines as the existence of multitudes of angels and the
all-controlling power of fate. How could Sadducees develop such teachings,
which are diametrically opposed to what ancient writers said about them? Also,
the fact that an _early_ document such as the Cave 1 copy of the Rule of the
Community...enunciates thoroughly Essene, anti-Sadducean theology makes it 
most
improbable that the Qumran residents arose from Sadducean origins. If they 
did,
they succeeded in reversing themselves in fundamental theological tenets 
within
a few years--from nonpredestinarians to all-out determinists, to name just one
example. Such a scenario is thoroughly implausible."

best,
Stephen Goranson
http://www.duke.edu/~goranson