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Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek
- From: "James Spinti" <JSpinti AT Eisenbrauns.com>
- To: "Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek
- Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:23:54 -0500
Randall knows what he is talking about. The papyri, inscriptions, and
DSS all bear out what he is saying--in addition to the evidence from
transliteration into Latin of Greek words.
James
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[mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Randall Buth
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:18 PM
To: Hebrew
Subject: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek
>All we can really say with certainty is that:
. . .
I didn't repeat your summation because the general picture is
probably clearer than you were portraying.
>> And here one must ask which value of HTA was intended, an [i] or [e],
and
>>always remembering to ask according to which manuscripts?
>> Apparently, HTA went to [i] around the 2nd century CE, maybe a little
>> later.
>> Fortunately, because this was about 4-5 centuries later than EI went
to I,
>> the spelling traditions with HTA are relatively stable, especially in
the
>> centuries 2-5 CE, when the historical spellings were usually
preserved.
>
>I'm not sure you can say most of what you just said in the last
paragraph
>with any degree of certainty. >
There is more surety than you may be aware of.
All reconstructions are within bands of probability, but that being
said,
Greek phonologists wouldn't have a problem with my paragraph. See
Horrocks, Gignac, Bubenik, Teodorrson, even Buth.
EI went to an I sound [pronounced 'ee' in 'feet'] from as early as the
4th century
(Teodorrson) and especially in the 3rd and 2nd c BCE. You can give this
trend a 99% rating.
HTA may have started drifting in the first century CE but only appears
to be
generally absorbed into I in the 2-3 c CE. Inscriptions and papyri, even
Dead Sea Greek all make this pretty clear. Roman catacombs too. the
whole Mediterranean. You can give this a 90 rating. But one must sift
the
data as a phonologist and cognizant of how sound systems change
emically.
Then the broad strokes are pretty easy.
--
Randall Buth, PhD
www.biblicalulpan.org
randallbuth AT gmail.com
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Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek, Isaac Fried, 01/18/2010
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek, James Christian, 01/18/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek,
Yitzhak Sapir, 01/18/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek, James Christian, 01/18/2010
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek, Yitzhak Sapir, 01/18/2010
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[b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek,
Randall Buth, 01/18/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek,
James Christian, 01/18/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek, Isaac Fried, 01/18/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek, Rolf Furuli, 01/19/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek,
James Christian, 01/18/2010
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[b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek,
Randall Buth, 01/18/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek,
James Spinti, 01/18/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek, James Christian, 01/18/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Transliterating from Hebrew to Greek,
James Spinti, 01/18/2010
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