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  • From: "Michael J Miles" <mjmorthotics0 AT msn.com>
  • To: <aaa AT endlyss.com>, <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?
  • Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:29:03 -0800

I vote for the abbreviated monosyllable Yah; then the extended dual-syllable Yehweh or Yahweh; then the fullest and most proper tri-syllabic Yehowah or Y'HOWAH; agreeing with those like Tregelles and Ginsburg. Mike Miles.

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From: "Richard" <aaa AT endlyss.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:16 PM
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?

Hi Christian,

One answer to your question is available here on page 11:
http://www.karaite-korner.org/yhwh_2.pdf

I don't want to offend anyone by saying more.

Richard Conaway



-----Original Message-----
From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Christian
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:45 PM
To: Yohanan bin-Dawidh
Cc: Biblical Hebrew list
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?

Thanks for that Yohanan. So how do Karaites who use the name vocalise it?

James Christian

2009/12/24 Yohanan bin-Dawidh <yohanan.bin.dawidh AT gmail.com>

> Shalom Yigal;
>
> Not speaking of modern Karaite sages, since currently there are mixed
> opinions with regards to both Talmudh Bavli and Talmudh Yerushalmi, > most
> ancient Karaite sages recommended that we as Karaites study both > Talmudh
> Bavli and Talmudh Yerushalmi. The difference was that we were suppose > to
> weigh everything in them against the written Torah, and those things
which
> were found not in agreement with the written Torah, we were suppose to
> ignore.
> As to the official opinion of Karaites concerning the patriarchs using
the
> name, Ibn Ezra was wrong, for such was not our opinion, at least not
> officially, since there is not official opinion among Karaites with
regards
> to such. In ancient times there was no official body of Karaites who
> determined what Karaites were to believe, or not to believe, and each
> community had its own customs, and beliefs, this is why some sages from
> community would speak against sages from another community. Some > Karaite
> sages form times past thought it was wrong to use the name, YHWH,
whereas
> others thought it must be used, if one was to properly follow the words
of
> the Torah. As long as a person could come to their conclusion, and > argue
> such properly, from the p'shat (plain-meaning) of the text, and using
> haqesh
> (comparitive analogy), then their view could be accepted as their view.
> The patriarchs did use the name, according to all ancient writings that
I
> have read from Karaite sages, and the name was even known among pagans
> during the time of the patriarchs, but these people did not know the
true
> meaning of the name until Mosheh explained it to them.
>
> I know this is not supposed to be a theological discussion, so if my
words
> above seem as such, forgive me. I just wanted to clarify certain > things.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yo*h*anan bin-Dawidh
>
> Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas
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