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  • From: "Richard" <aaa AT endlyss.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?
  • Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:16:30 -0800

Hi Christian,

One answer to your question is available here on page 11:
http://www.karaite-korner.org/yhwh_2.pdf

I don't want to offend anyone by saying more.

Richard Conaway



> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Christian
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:45 PM
> To: Yohanan bin-Dawidh
> Cc: Biblical Hebrew list
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?
>
> Thanks for that Yohanan. So how do Karaites who use the name vocalise it?
>
> James Christian
>
> 2009/12/24 Yohanan bin-Dawidh <yohanan.bin.dawidh AT gmail.com>
>
> > Shalom Yigal;
> >
> > Not speaking of modern Karaite sages, since currently there are mixed
> > opinions with regards to both Talmudh Bavli and Talmudh Yerushalmi, most
> > ancient Karaite sages recommended that we as Karaites study both Talmudh
> > Bavli and Talmudh Yerushalmi. The difference was that we were suppose to
> > weigh everything in them against the written Torah, and those things
which
> > were found not in agreement with the written Torah, we were suppose to
> > ignore.
> > As to the official opinion of Karaites concerning the patriarchs using
the
> > name, Ibn Ezra was wrong, for such was not our opinion, at least not
> > officially, since there is not official opinion among Karaites with
regards
> > to such. In ancient times there was no official body of Karaites who
> > determined what Karaites were to believe, or not to believe, and each
> > community had its own customs, and beliefs, this is why some sages from
> > community would speak against sages from another community. Some Karaite
> > sages form times past thought it was wrong to use the name, YHWH,
whereas
> > others thought it must be used, if one was to properly follow the words
of
> > the Torah. As long as a person could come to their conclusion, and argue
> > such properly, from the p'shat (plain-meaning) of the text, and using
> > haqesh
> > (comparitive analogy), then their view could be accepted as their view.
> > The patriarchs did use the name, according to all ancient writings that
I
> > have read from Karaite sages, and the name was even known among pagans
> > during the time of the patriarchs, but these people did not know the
true
> > meaning of the name until Mosheh explained it to them.
> >
> > I know this is not supposed to be a theological discussion, so if my
words
> > above seem as such, forgive me. I just wanted to clarify certain things.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yo*h*anan bin-Dawidh
> >
> > Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas
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