Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Steve Miller" <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>]

> From: K Randolph
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] prosthetic aleph in Ps 22:17?
> 
> Steve:
> 
> 2009/12/8 Steve Miller <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>
> 
> >
> >
> > [Steve Miller] Thanks Karl! If true, this is a very valuable
> observation. I
> > will be looking for this when I read.
> > One that I think is a counter-example to this is:
> > Gen 1:2 And the earth became waste and empty;
> > and darkness [became] upon the face of the deep.
> > And the Spirit of God [became] hovering upon the face of the waters.
> >
> 
> I don’t read this verse as a counter example, because of the practice in
> Biblical Hebrew of having an assumed ‘to be’ in many sentences. Here I
> read,
> “And the earth came into being (became) lifeless and still, and darkness
> [was] upon the face of the deep and God’s Spirit resting upon the face of
> the waters.”
> 
> 
> > I thought that the 2nd & 3rd clauses inherit the verb hayita from the
> 1st.
> > Others consider the 2nd & 3rd clauses as verbless clauses that do not
> > inherit anything from the 1st.
> >
> I agree with the latter.
> 
> > >
> > > Now I come to the next question: what does it mean?
> > >
> > > I think this was one of the vocabulary that was forgotten by the time
> of
> > > the
> > > LXX, hence they took it as a variation of כרה and mistranslated even
> > that.
> > > כרה means ‘to furnish as in to provide Pr 16:27, 26:27’ which, when
> what
> > > was
> > > provided was a well, was done by means of digging. It does not mean
> ‘to
> > > dig’
> > > or similar.
> >
> > [Steve Miller] The verb krh always means "dig" or an abstraction of
> "dig"
> > as
> > in Pr 16:27 & Job 6:27 "you dig upon your friend". There is no need to
> > generalize the meaning to mean "furnish". If that was the case there
> should
> > be uses of krh to say I krh'd you some food, some clothing, etc. No, it
> > always means "digged" or something that is in human experience an
> > abstraction of digged, as in to dig up evil or to deeply wound.
> >
> 
> Proverbs 16:27 “A useless person furnishes that which is displeasing, and
> upon his lips [is] like a branding fire.” There is no neighbor in this
> verse.
> 
> Job 6:27 “Even you would cause to fall (used of casting lots) for an
> orphan,
> and you would dance (verb is כרר) upon your neighbors (as in oppressing
> them)”
> 
> Where is this “digging” from?
> 
> Karl W. Randolph.
> 
[Steve Miller] The meaning "dig" for krh is from its usage in the rest of
the Tanach (16 times). Words can be and usually are used abstractly
sometimes. This is the way human language works.

"Furnish", except when it means to put furniture in a room, is too general a
word to be useful for normal communication. It is only useful to lawyers,
who want to remove meaning out of what they say.
Think about when was the last time you used the word "furnish"? I searched
the web for "furnish -furniture -room -house" and mostly get people whose
last name is "Furnish". I also get a few companies describing the service
they provide - this is a case like a contract lawyer, not wanting to be too
specific.

Where do you get the word krr in Job 6:27? The word that's there is a normal
conjugation of krh. I can't find krr in the Bible or in a Hebrew verb list.

Thanks, Karl.

-Steve Miller
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They shall come, and they shall declare
to a people to be born,
reveal His righteousness.
This deed which the Lord has done
they'll retell to everyone
that He may all peoples bless. (Psalm 22:31)