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[Roe <d.roe AT t-online.de>]

Hi James,

Thanks for your response. The answer to my question might be so obvious 
that it is not clear what my question is. And mine wasn't a good example 
sentence for, as you point out, there is also a chronological aspect to 
the last event.

In a single series of perf. - impf. - impf. - impf. - impf., is a 
mixture of chronological and logical waw imperfects possible?

Thanks again,
David

D.W. Roe
Rheinland-Pfalz,  Germany


James Christian schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> to be honest I really don't see your distinction between logical and
> chronological. In the English example you gave everything seems to be
> in chronological succession with the last being a hypothetical event
> yet all the same chronologically afterwards.
>
> James Christian
>
> 2009/11/19, Roe <d.roe AT t-online.de>:
>   
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Thanks. Please pardon the term "succession."
> >
> > Can there be shifts from chronological to logical within a singular
> > series?  E.g., "he entered the city, [and] he found the court
> > (chronological), [and] he went before the king (chronological), [and] he
> > pleaded his case (chronological), so that the king would pardon him
> > (logical)"?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > David
> >
> > D.W. Roe
> > Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
> >
> >
> > dwashbur AT nyx.net schrieb:
> >     
> > > On 19 Nov 2009 at 2:42, Roe wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >       
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > If the answer to my question is too complex for an email response,
> > > > please refer me to helpful literature -- if it's too simple, my
> > > > apologies...
> > > >
> > > > Within a single waw series of perfect followed by imperfects, is it
> > > > possible (or even frequent) that the imperfect waw relatives shift
> > > > from
> > > > chronological succession to logical succession (and vice versa)? Or
> > > > must
> > > > all imperfects in the series be either chronological or logical?
> > > >
> > > >         
> > > There is no "succession," whether chronological or logical, encoded in the
> > > so-called "waw
> > > consecutive."  It's a simple statement, which is why it works well for
> > > narrative prose.
> > > Succession is actually encoded in the meanings of the statements being
> > > made.  "He went
> > > before the king.  He pleaded his case."  There's succession here, but it
> > > doesn't come from
> > > the verb forms; it comes from the fact that it's difficult to plead one's
> > > case with the king if one
> > > has not come before him first.  Logical succession follows the same
> > > pattern: it results from
> > > what is being said/done, not the verb form being used to say it.
> > >
> > > Dave Washburn
> > >
> > > http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
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