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- From: George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>
- To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet
- Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:45:21 +1000
James,
I believe I was responding to Karl Randolph's comment:
"He also claims to have amassed wisdom above all who were before him,
1:16-18, which also points to Solomon, as none who followed could make that
claim."
Now, I think I'm about to bow out of this discussion. Before I do, here are
my reasons for thinking that Solomon is merely the persona taken on by the
author.
1. Taking on another persona is a legitimate literary/rhetorical device
that is not necessarily aiming to deceive (cf. Dan 4).
2. Qohelet is a highly crafted book that uses a number of rhetorical
techniques. It would be in no way unusual for the first point above to be one
of them.
3. Linguistics and historical details imply that certain loanwords in the
book have come via Persian and Aramaic. The most plausible timeframe for this
to have occurred is the Persian Era.
4. The 'speaker' sounds like a wise citizen/subject (rather than monarch)
in places like 8.2ff and 10.16ff. Now, this simply could be a monarch
speaking with the persona of a subject, but if so, then you must concede my
first two points above.
5. In talking about his 'reign', the speaker in ch.1 uses Qatal verbs.
Particularly important is the use of the Qatal form of HYH in 1.12. If the
speaker were actually still the king, then it is mighty unusual for him to
use this form rather than a verbless clause. However, if the speaker is
taking on the persona of someone from the distant past so that the reader can
hear afresh the wisdom of ages past, then this particular syntactical choice
becomes a lot more normal.
6. The tradition attributing the book to Solomon is old, but not old
enough. At best it simply tells us what people at the turn of the era thought
about the authorship of the book.
7. Solomon is never named in the book.
8. We have no other corroboratory evidence that Solomon had the name
Qohelet.
For me, all this means that while it is possible that Solomon authored
Qohelet, it is more plausible to argue that he did not.
OK, that's it for me on this one.
Regards,
GEORGE ATHAS
Moore Theological College (Sydney, Australia)
www.moore.edu.au
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Re: [b-hebrew] Qohelet
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Qohelet, George Athas, 09/17/2009
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[b-hebrew] qohelet,
Randall Buth, 09/17/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet, K Randolph, 09/17/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
Rolf Furuli, 09/18/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
Kevin P. Edgecomb, 09/18/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
dwashbur, 09/18/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
K Randolph, 09/19/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
George Athas, 09/19/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet, K Randolph, 09/19/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet, James Read, 09/19/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet, George Athas, 09/20/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, James Read, 09/20/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, George Athas, 09/20/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, James Read, 09/20/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, George Athas, 09/20/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, K Randolph, 09/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, George Athas, 09/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, K Randolph, 09/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, George Athas, 09/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, K Randolph, 09/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] the value of loanwords was qohelet, George Athas, 09/21/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
George Athas, 09/19/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
K Randolph, 09/19/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
dwashbur, 09/18/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] qohelet,
Kevin P. Edgecomb, 09/18/2009
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