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  • From: dwashbur AT nyx.net
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Lexical question
  • Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:47:04 -0700

This link is so far beyond reaching, I'm not sure English has a word for it.

Homonyms happen in most every language of which I am aware, including Hebrew.
There
is no need for this kind of linguistic back-flip to try and explain them
away. The simplest
answer is usually the most likely to be correct.

On 2 Aug 2009 at 9:16, Vadim Cherny wrote:

> Steinberg's dictionary offers a different explanation, actually.
> He traces kasaph to "pale." Silver is pale and yearning makes one
> pale.
> Sometimes, casaph is used directly in the sense of "to become
> pale."
> The common meaning is always there, no homonyms.
>
> Vadim Cherny
>
>
> Isaac Fried wrote:
> >
> > I would summarily reject any claim to the effect that KISUPIM,
> > 'yearning' is even remotely predicated on the desire for money,
> KESEP.
> >
> >
> > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> >
> > On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:52 AM, Vadim Cherny wrote:
> >
> >> Homonyms are *unrelated* at all, which is never the case with
> Hebrew
> >> words.
> >> Sometimes, the connection is clear, as between "silver" and
> >> "yearning". Sometimes, less so: you need to see the common
> "biting"
> >> between "lion" and "frost."
> >>
> >> Vadim Cherny
> >>
> >> Isaac Fried wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Every Hebrew word is derived from a meaningful root. Words
> derived
> >>> from the same root need not be "horizontally" related. Think
> about
> >>> the minimal pairs KPOR, 'frost, crust", and KPIR, 'lion'; or
> >>> "KESEP", 'silver'', and KISUPIM, 'yearning'.
> >>> The basic meaning of $Q is 'elevated, elongated, large, piled
> up'.
> >>> $UK is an elevated (paved?) path, $OK is the long and fleshy
> [SAGI)]
> >>> leg part. The modern Hebrew $QIQAH, 'eagerness, desire', from
> the
> >>> biblical root $QQ, is an emotional build-up.
> >>>
> >>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 31, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Vadim Cherny wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The thing is, Hebrew lacks homonyms. What you see as homonyms
> are
> >>>> actually related meanings. As Karl saw for himself, finding the
> >>>> common meaning requires some study but it is always there. This
> is
> >>>> a function of root cells. I take Steinberg's dictionary for a
> fine
> >>>> example of such search.
> >>>>
> >>>> Vadim Cherny
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ishinan: My suggestion is to apply the comparative method
> among
> >>>>> other daughter Semitic languages (such as Akkadian, Ugaritic,
> >>>>> Arabic, Ge?ez, etc.) to your examples. Consult the
> respective
> >>>>> Proto-Semitic etymologies. You'll actually discover that the
> >>>>> examples you gave above are homonyms.
> >>>>> I have found that sometimes the entries in Strong's Exhaustive
> >>>>> Concordance of the Bible can be misleading.
> >>>>> For example:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 7783 shuwq overflow, water. 7784 shuwq shook street. 7785
> showq
> >>>>> shoke the (lower) leg/shin.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These are not related. Hope this helps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ishinan B. Ishibashi
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
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Dave Washburn

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