Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Steve Miller" <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>]

Yours in Christ,
-Steve Miller
www.voiceInWilderness.info
But the Lord answered and said to her, Martha, Martha, you are anxious and
troubled about many things;  But there is need of one thing, for Mary has
chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.  (Luke
10:41-42)

 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K Randolph
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 12:43 PM
> 
> Looking at the two words, neither are used only in this context.
> 
> (+p in its various forms, verbal and nominal, is found in 16 verses.
> The basic meaning seems to be "to droop" or "to drape", in other words
> something without firmness, such as a piece of cloth. In Psalm 65:13
> the hills are said picturesquely to be "draped" with grain. In this
> context in Genesis, (+p is used as an antonym to Q$R, which would
> indicate that Q$R would be something that is firm, hard, holding its
> form.
> 
> Q$R in its various forms, verbal and nominal, is found in 53 verses.
> Until you raised this question, I was willing to accept with
> reservations the meaning I had been taught.
> 
> In verses such as Genesis 38:28, Joshua 2:18, 21, Jeremiah 51:63 it
> appears that the Q$R refers to tying on, or is this merely the means
> by which another action is accomplished?
> 
> Without carefully counting how it is used, the most common usage seems
> to be political, namely fomenting rebellion against a ruler. This can
> be an individual or a group, so a conspiracy involving multiple people
> is not necessary.

[Steve Miller] The English word "conspiracy" requires multiple people. I
think that when the Bible only mentions one name conspiring against a king,
it doesn't mean that he did it alone. It just was not important to name the
others. For example 2 Kg 9:14 just says that Jehu conspired against Joram,
but when you read the details you see that he had helpers.

Concordant Version translates the 2 words as "sinewy" and "droopy".

-Steve Miller
Detroit

> 
> Isaiah 49:18 and Jeremiah 2:32 in plural seem to indicate a wedding,
> the time a bride does ??
> 
> Nehemiah 3:38 (4:6) seems to indicate firming up.
> 
> What action do all of these have in common? Do they have any action in
> common?
> 
> From it being an antonym to infirmness, with it being used to making
> firm a string on a hand, rope in a window, walls seems to fit that
> pattern. As for a bride, making firm her commitment to her man through
> the ceremony of a wedding. But how does fomenting a rebellion fit?
> What actions am I missing?
> 
> Like I said, this is but preliminary speculation.
> 
> Karl W. Randolph.