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- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: kwrandolph AT gmail.com, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?
- Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:59:25 EDT
Karl:
You wrote: “[T]he context of the invasion following the Exodus was that God
would
drive out the previous peoples little by little, over several generations,
not all at once (c.f. Exodus 23:30, Deuteronomy 7:22). Therefore the
suggestion that Joshua would lead the fight to finish the occupation is
nonsense.”
The specific question at issue on this thread is how far west the border of
the Promised Land extended. I believe most people read the Bible as saying
that the southwestern edge of the Promised Land was somewhere just southwest
of
Gaza, or perhaps a considerable distance south of Gaza, but not very far west
of Gaza. That is to say, the Promised Land does not include the Sinai.
In particular, in my opinion the Promised Land does n-o-t extend as far
west as the northeastern edge of the Nile Delta, which is located on the
northwest corner of the desolate Sinai. I am arguing that $YXWR at Joshua
13: 3 is
not referencing the northeastern edge of the Nile Delta.
In this connection, I got out Yigal Levin’s fine article, whose title I will
abbreviate as “The Boundaries of the Land of Canaan”. At p. 57, in footnote
4, Yigal Levin addresses this very question head on:
“We [that is, Yigal Levin], on the other hand, would agree with N. Na’aman, “
The Shihor of Egypt and Shur that is Before Egypt”, “Tel-Aviv” 7 (1980), 99,
that ‘in the course of time…it [‘Shihor’] developed into a more figurative
term for ‘river’, ‘stream’ or ‘wadi’.’ While 1 Chr. 13:5 may very well
have been influenced by Josh. 13: 3, it is also dependant on the description
of
Solomon’s dedication of the Temple in 1 Kgs. 8:65; the term ‘Shihor of Egypt’
, when linked to ‘Lebo-hamath’, seems to be a literary substitute for ‘the
Brook of Egypt’, which is definitely not the Nile.”
Thus Yigal Levin and I and a majority of scholars agree that the $YXWR at
Joshua 13: 3 is n-o-t the northeastern edge of the Nile Delta, but rather
is
only a short ways southwest of Gaza.
On the other hand, Nadav Na’man’s fanciful claim that $XR does not mean “
Black”/Egypt, but rather “developed into a more figurative term for ‘river’, ‘
stream’ or ‘wadi’”, makes no sense. Please note that no scholar is ever
willing to consider that $XR may mean “Black”/Egypt, even though $XR as a
common
word often means “black”, and everyone knows that the ancient Egyptians
called their own country “Black”/Kemet. But though I disagree with the
linguistic analysis, I agree with the geographical analysis.
In looking at p. 59 of Yigal Levin’s article, two candidates for the Brook of
Egypt are shown. The one farther to the southwest of Gaza is only about 40
miles southwest of Gaza, on the northeast corner of the Sinai, nowhere near
the
northwest corner of the Sinai.
So for once I agree with a majority of scholars, as to the question of the
western geographical border of the Promised Land.
The #1 problem with arguing that $XR or $XWR or $YXWR = Shihor/“pond of Horus”
/“northeast edge of the Nile Delta” is not a linguistics problem. On the
linguistics front, Kevin Edgecomb’s theory makes more sense than the majority
scholarly view that $XR “developed into a more figurative term for ‘river’, ‘
stream’ or ‘wadi’”. But the fatal flaw in Kevin Edgecomb’s analysis is the
geographical problem. In the Bible, $XR never references the northwest
corner
of the bleak Sinai Desert! Rather, $XR/$XWR/$YXWR consistently references
the
Nile River and bountiful Greater Egypt as a whole, extending to the
north-e-a-s-t corner of the Sinai, not the north-w-e-s-t corner of the
Sinai.
I certainly do not agree with Yigal Levin that the Patriarchal narratives
nonsensically portray Abraham as going to a “Persian Period fortress” (QD$)
at
Genesis 20: 1. No way! But I do agree with Yigal Levin that the western
border of the Promised Land was no farther west than 40 miles southwest of
Gaza,
and never extended anywhere near the northeast edge of the Nile Delta.
Kevin Edgecomb’s view directly contradicts the published view of Yigal Levin
as to the western border of the Promised Land. Both men know a lot, but both
cannot be right on this issue. On this one issue, I’m with Yigal Levin. The
western border of the Promised Land was no farther than 40 miles southwest of
Gaza, nowhere near the Nile River.
Jim Stinehart
Evanston, Illinois
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Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?,
K Randolph, 04/01/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?,
JimStinehart, 04/01/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?, K Randolph, 04/01/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?, Kevin P. Edgecomb, 04/02/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?,
JimStinehart, 04/02/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?, K Randolph, 04/02/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?,
JimStinehart, 04/03/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?,
K Randolph, 04/03/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?, George Athas, 04/03/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] $XR = black?,
K Randolph, 04/03/2009
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