Biblical Hebrew Forum

[K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>]

Jim:

Not only are you ignorant of the language, an ignorance you have shown in
past messages, but now you show you are ignorant even of the texts you claim
to parse! I didn’t think I would have to do your homework for you. How could
you have missed passages like Genesis 17:15–22 where it very clearly states
that Isaac, not Ishmael, was to inherit Abraham’s covenant? A covenant, by
the way, that included the promise of the land?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:57 AM, <JimStinehart AT aol.com> wrote:

>  Karl:
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> You wrote:  “Numerous verses indicate that the promise was to Isaac, and 
> that Ishmael did not share in them.”
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> A.  What verses are you thinking of?  Ishmael gets a very nice set of 
> divine promises in the Patriarchal narratives:
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> But not the covenant, which included the promise of the land.

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> Note the clever Hebrew wordplay there, … Is that clever Hebrew wordplay at 
> its finest or what?
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This is a bunch of hogwash! I’ll leave it to others who are better than I at
explaining it to tell you why.

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> Meanwhile, $XR/$XWR/$YXWR, which is the primary subject of this thread, 
> does not appear in the Patriarchal narratives as a geographical term.
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Irrelevant claim.


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> C.  Jacob cannot wait to leave Harran, just east of the upper Euphrates 
> River, and Jacob never looks back as he hurries all the long way home to 
> beloved Canaan.  None of Jacob’s descendants wanted to live in east-central 
> Syria, just west of the Euphrates River (and just west of Harran).
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This is irrelevant for reasons I posted in previous messages.


>   That’s not part of the Promised Land for the Hebrews/Jacob’s descendants.
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False, mentioned in previous messages.

Your comment that Midian = Mitani is completely off the wall, as there are
historical records (secular as you like to call them) placing Midian
somewhat to the south, but mainly to the east of the Promised Land, largely
in northern Saudi Arabia. You should have done your homework before making
such an absurd claim.

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> D.  Returning now to your comments about the Sinai and the Promised Land,
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When will you acknowledge the archeological and historical records that the
Negev, hence also the neighboring Sinai, was a prairie with patches of even
forests in ancient times, and only later did it become the desolate desert
that we see today?


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> E.  The scholarly view of $XR/$XWR/$YXWR cannot be right,
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Talk about sloppiness! This statement throws together different ideas that
need to be evaluated verse by verse. Don’t you remember I said that in a
previous message?


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> Did I mention that $XR/$XWR means “black”?
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> Ad nauseum. But does your claim make it true? Are you trying to use the old
propagandist trick that by repeating a claim over and over again, you can
get people to believe the propaganda? Is that the correct meaning? There are
reasons from within the text to question that.

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> Jim Stinehart
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> Evanston, Illinois
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Karl W. Randolph.
San Francisco.