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  • Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:00 -0800 (PST)





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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] barak (bless? curse?) in the Book of Job


"...when people see (WLM they assume that eternity is meant, when only a time
span of unknown length
but which has a definite end is meant in the text."

See Psalms 41:14, 90:2, 103:17, and 106:48.   Isn't God to be blessed forever?

John Estell


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From: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:18:53 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] barak (bless? curse?) in the Book of Job

John:

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM, John Estell <oldearther AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> Karl,
>
> *"But outside of slang where thereis a deliberate attempt at obfuscation,
> no where is that semantic range so
> broad that a word can have one meaning and its opposite."
> *
>
> **
>
> What about *olam* (and in Greek, *aion/aionios*) ?  Can't that refer to
> both time and eternity?  Aren't these opposite meanings?
>
> The question of (WLM was debated in greater detail before. It comes from
the same root as "to cause to be unknown" i.e. to hide, (LMWT alamut the
unknown, T(LMH unknown thing, and in reference to time, it is to a time of
unknown span. By extension, eternity also extends off into the unknown. So
the two are related, not opposite.

This has often led to misunderstanding of texts, as when people see (WLM
they assume that eternity is meant, when only a time span of unknown length
but which has a definite end is meant in the text.

The Greek word refers to an eon, a very long span of time, and by extension,
eternity. But that's Greek.

>
> John Estell
>

Karl W. Randolph.
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Harold:
Right now we are dealing with what did the text originally say, I am letting
the what it means slide until later.

I found my dead tree version of Tanakh, which has a list of variants, to see
what the critical apparatus would say. Yes, the apparatus lists all the tiqune
sopherim and what they were changed from. The exact words are given. There
is no question what the original words were.

But when I come to the first two chapters of Job, there is only a speculated
correction, with a range of possible "originals". There are no variant
readings from other MSS.

So what textual evidence do you have that these verses were changed?

What is the evidence from the DSS concerning the tiqune sopherim? Were any
of them found among the DSS?

Karl W. Randolph.




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