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- From: David Kolinsky <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] the Jim vs Karl debate
- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:03 -0800 (PST)
Chaverim,
I wonder if we could get some additional opinions on this debate.
I agree with Karl that Jim's postings are annoyingly pedantic and that if he
has a comprehensive thesis on Hebrew etymology and how it applies to the
patriarchal narrative then he should seriously consider writing a book or
starting a web site.
However, I think Karl is behaving as much as a bully as Jim is being
pedantic. Furthermore, it is not only in the context of Jim's rantings that
he has done so. Rather, he seems to consistently do so when anyone presents
and/or disagrees with him regarding Hebrew Etymology. There is no doubt that
there is no consensus on the relationship between Hebrew verbal roots and
other words with seemingly similar "root" letters. This holds true as well
when it comes to making the same comparisons between semitic languages
(cognates). But the fact that there is no consensus does not mean that
people who profess these ideas are idiots (as Karl seems to regularly
suggest). Nor does it make it a subject not worth exploring. Those of us
who have our theories of Hebrew etymolgy could create another B-Hebrew list,
but that would deprive us of the opinions of people who disagree with us
(Karl's included). My complaint is that Karl seems much less
interested in scholarly debate and exploration and much more interested in
shutting the rest of us down. Which, by the way, he seems to have done
rather successfully.
Is that the intent of this list?
Sincerely,
david kolinsky
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Re: [b-hebrew] the Jim vs Karl debate,
David Kolinsky, 12/11/2008
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- Re: [b-hebrew] the Jim vs Karl debate, dwashbur, 12/11/2008
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