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  • From: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard3 AT earthlink.net>
  • To: "b-hebrew-lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] yorenu (again) in Sanhedrin 105
  • Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:47:04 -0500

Gabe,

I think Isaac makes a good point because the speaker can be summarizing the whole dynamic between the prophet and the Israelites. They could ironically take Isaiah's statement that God teaches the farmer and defiantly gives it back to Isaiah about their unwillingness to repent.

Of course Isaiah himself was using the whole farming illustration to discuss divine discipline in the first place. So there is no doubt that God would teach the Israelites to repent, but they would not like the way he taught them. That is part of Isaiah's point, although he moderates it by adding that the divine discipline would not go on forever.

Rabbah b. bar Hana can be reflecting the unrepentant attitude of Israel by creatively inventing a dialogue that borrows from Isaiah. It does not necessarily mean that he translated the verse that way.

Yours,
Harold Holmyard

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For he doth chastise him to discretion, and his God doth teach him.16
Rabbah b. Bar Hana said: The prophet urged Israel, 'Return and repent.'
They replied, 'We cannot: the Tempter17 rules over us. He said to them,
'Curb your [evil] desires.' They replied, 'Let His God teach us.'18

16 Isa. XXVIII, 26. (E.V. For his God doth instruct him to discretion and
doth teach him.)


Yours,
Harold Holmyard


thanks again,
Gabe Eisenstein

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