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  • From: <pporta AT oham.net>
  • To: "K Randolph" <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>, <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Eze29:3
  • Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:57:42 +0100

OK
But you do not replay to my question: Do you think the suffix -NY plays the part of the Direct or of the Indirect object of the verb it is attached to?

Pere Porta
Barcelona (Spain)

----- Original Message ----- From: "K Randolph" <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Eze29:3


Pere:
Assuming no corruption of the verse by copyists, it reads "Express and say,
thus says the Lord YHWH, Behold I am against you, Pharaoh, Egypt's king, the
great reptile lying in the midst of his Nile, who says, My Nile and my
potency belong to me, you will cause to consider me." The next verse
continues, "I will place hooks in your cheek …" continuing more of God's
actions giving reasons for causing to consider God.

I read the last verb of the verse as the hiphil, causative form of the verb
($T to consider where the double tau has been contracted as sometimes
happens in Biblical Hebrew.

This is my 2¢, now to run and hide. ;-)

Karl W. Randolph.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:31 PM, <pporta AT oham.net> wrote:

At looking at the last part in Ez 29:3 I read:

-KJV: My river is mine own and I have it for myself
-NAS: My Nile is mine and I myself have made it

My Catalan translation (*) reads:

-BCI: El Nil és meu, jo m'he creat a mi mateix.

What do you think of the true and real sense of this clause?

Pharaoh is here saying that he caused the Nile to be his (he is the owner
of
the river or he arranged things so as the Nile to be at his service, etc.)
or he is saying: .... The Nile is mine and also I created myself! (no need
of a Creator: I created myself)

In grammar terms perhaps the question could be reduced this way:

How do you understand the verse final pronoun -NY: as a DIRECT object or
as
an INDIRECT object?

(*) Catalan is my mother language.

Pere Porta
Barcelona (Spain)
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