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- From: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
- To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?
- Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:14:27 +0200
Jim,
1. I have no idea what it is you're blaming poor Ezekiel for, and I'm not going to read through all of your overly-long posts to find out. Do you think that he wrote Exodus-Numbers?
2. No where does the Patriarchal narrative state that God spoke to the Patriarchs in Hebrew. I have no idea what language Abraham spoke. Even if he did speak a form of "Hebrew", all languages evolve, and Abraham's Hebrew could have been as different from classical Biblical Hebrew as Middle English is from our English. We don't know, because the Bible doesn't tell us. The various books of the Bible are written in the language of their intended audience, with occasional reference to someone, ususally a non-Israelite, speaking strangely or in a foreign language, such as Laban's "yegar sahaduta" or the story of Joseph's pretending to need an interpreter, when it serves the author's purpose. Most authors, ancient and modern, do the same.
3. There is no evidence of "Hebrews" in Late Bronze Age Canaan. It has been shown that the so-called "Habiru" or "Apiru" of the Amarna texts are NOT "Hebrews" in the biblical sense of an ethnicity. Some scholars even deny an etymological connection between the terms, although that is still debated.
4. You are correct, that the biblical Hebrew language is related more closely to Canaanite than to any Mesopotamian language, even Aramaic. Which is indeed one indication (there are others) that "genetically" speaking, the Iron Age Israelites were largely descended from the population of LBA Canaan or its environs. But the Patriarchal narratives make it very clear that "home" was in Mesopotamia: Terah sets out from Ur (wherever that is - I'm not insisting on the famous Sumerian city) on his way to Canaan, but stops in Haran and dies there. The text does not say why he set out or why he stopped in Haran, so neither do we. Two of his sons stay there, but God tells Abraham to keep going "to the land which I will show you", which turns out to be Canaan. Nothing about this indicates that their original home was in Canaan. They have no relatives there.They have no property there. Abraham's servant and later Jacob go back to the family in Haran to get wives. The story is clear: Abraham "the 'Ivri" came from 'Ever Hannahar' - "across the river", meaning the Euphrates.
5. And yes, there is a dissonance between the Israelites' apparent "Canaanite" origins and their own tradition that their ancestors had come from "across the river" (although remember, this is the story that the authors of the Bible gave us. We don't really know how commonly accepted this narrative was in Iron Age Israel). I can see two main options: The first is that the whole story was invented for ideological purposes - in order to show that the Israelites, God's people, are not REALLY "dirty Canaanites". The second is that this narrative did occur (in some form) and that the Patriarchs' descendants, although demographically very few in number, were influential enough so that their narrative was accepted as a part of the "national narrative" - again, at least by the writers of the Bible.
Yigal Levin
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[b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?,
JimStinehart, 11/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?, Yigal Levin, 11/17/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?,
Shoshanna Walker, 11/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?, Yigal Levin, 11/17/2007
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[b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?,
JimStinehart, 11/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?, Yigal Levin, 11/17/2007
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[b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?,
JimStinehart, 11/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?, Yigal Levin, 11/18/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?,
Shoshanna Walker, 11/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?, Yigal Levin, 11/17/2007
- [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?, JimStinehart, 11/17/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?,
Shoshanna Walker, 11/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?, Yigal Levin, 11/18/2007
- [b-hebrew] Genesis 12: 5: Are "Souls" Slaves?, JimStinehart, 11/18/2007
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