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- From: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
- To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: [b-hebrew] Hebrew-speaking Philistines
- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:43:19 +0200
A lot has been written about the Philistines' presumed acculturazation. On one hand, we know that the Philistines arrived together with other so-called "Sea Peoples", from the Aegean Sea area and there are aspects of their material culture and even the little we knw of some of their names and language which do signify an Aegean origin. The Bible also ties them to Kittim or Chaphtor - Crete or maybe Cypress.
On the other hand, those Aegean immigrants were a minority who settled among a largely Canaanite population, and quickly began assimilating Canaanite influences. For example, some of the Philistine cultic artifacts are different from Canaanite ones. On the other hand, "Dagon" and "Baal Zebub" (or, more probably, "Baal Zebul") are Canaanite divine names. SO, did the Philistines begin worshiping Canaanite gods, or did they identify their old gods with equivalent Canaanite gods (such syncretism was very common), or was it just the writers of the Bible who did the identifying? Remember, neither god is known from any Philistine inscription.
So yes, chances are that Philistines and Israelites could understand each other, even if the Philistine "upper classes" also had their own Aegean language. But that's really not the point that interests the author of Judges. He has the Philistines speaking good Hebrew because it's convenient for him to do so. Judges 13-16 is not a factual word-for-word account of historical events. It's a story, a re-telling of events that may or may not have happened, but in any case written in such a way as to get messages across to a Hebrew-speaking audience, and so written in good Hebrew. Having to deal with the question of just how well Samson and the Philistines understood each other would have made the storytelling complicated, and since it's not important to the story, the writer did not bother with it.
Yigal Levin
----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Fried" <if AT math.bu.edu>
To: "Yigal Levin" <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
Cc: "b-hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 58, Issue 18
Yigal,
You are right. Still here is a detailed story of a simple [very] young Hebrew man, the son of simple God fearing people, freely interacting with the Philistines [and their daughters]. It is, of course, possible that Samson, after years of dealing with them learned their language and that the famous, remarkably worded, XIDAH is given to us in translation. It is also possible that the town of TIMNATAH was a mixed town. But it is equally possible that the Philistines spoke a Hebrew dialect.
As far as I can recall not one of their names, including that of DAGON their god, is unmistakably non Semitic.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Yigal Levin wrote:
In the Bible, or at least most of it, everyone speaks good Hebrew. So do the
Egyptians in Genesis and Exodus, the Midianites in Exodus and Judges, the
Moabites in Judges, Arameans in Kings, all of the sailors and the people of
Nineveh in Jonah and so on. This is just one more indication that the
biblical authors did not intend to write word-for-word historical accounts
of actual events - they had messages to get across, and wanted those
messages to be as clear as possible to their intended audience - who of
course spoke Hebrew. Only in those few places in which the foreigners'
language was a part of the story did the writers make an effort to make them
sound foreign.
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Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 58, Issue 18,
Yaakov Stein, 10/20/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 58, Issue 18,
Yigal Levin, 10/20/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 58, Issue 18,
Isaac Fried, 10/20/2007
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[b-hebrew] Hebrew-speaking Philistines,
Yigal Levin, 10/20/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew-speaking Philistines, Isaac Fried, 10/20/2007
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[b-hebrew] Hebrew-speaking Philistines,
Yigal Levin, 10/20/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 58, Issue 18, K Randolph, 10/20/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 58, Issue 18,
Isaac Fried, 10/20/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 58, Issue 18,
Yigal Levin, 10/20/2007
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