Biblical Hebrew Forum

["B. M. Rocine" <brocine AT twcny.rr.com>]

Hi Karl,

How about if we exercise just a bit of imagination in reading the poetry 
and see the human supplicants that come as "required attachments" to the 
groan and the petition? 

I believe the technical name for the figures in verses you quote is 
metonymy.  The two vv. in Psa are very much about gaining an audience 
with YHWH.

Shalom,
Bryan

K Randolph wrote:
> In Psalm 79:11 the subject is a groan, in 88:2 it is my petition.
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
>
> On 4/20/07, B. M. Rocine <brocine AT twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>   
> > B-Haverim,
> >
> > Gen 6:13  kets kol basar ba' lepanay
> > "an end of all flesh has come before me"
> >
> > Generally the idiom "labo' lepaney" refers to having an audience, as
> > with a king or YHWH.  Occasionally it refers to leading a military force
> > into battle.  Gen 6:13 is different in that it is the only time the
> > idiom has a thing rather than a person as subject, specifically _kets
> > kol basar_.
> >
> > So I take it to mean *the idea* of annihilation gained an audience with
> > YHWH, that is "came to his mind," right?
> >
> > I note that the cause of annihilation is not specified.  Might the
> > expression leave open the possibility that annihilation was about to be
> > caused by man's own violence (apart from the flood)?  In other words,
> > there is a *possibility* that the clause quoted above refers to YHWH's
> > intuition that all life was about to end as a result of man's violence.
> > Is that right?
> >
> > I think it's an interesting question because the supplicant who gains
> > audience before a great power typically does so as a means of gaining
> > salvation.  Perhaps the Hebrew gives greater voice than our extant
> > English translations to the idea that YHWH was intervening in an emergency.
> >
> > Shalom,
> > Bryan
> >
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