Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Kevin W. Woodruff" <cierpke AT prodigy.net>]

Bob:
 
In Hebrew  in a construct relationship, the definiteness of the the construct 
chain will be be determined by the definiteness or indefiniteness of the noun 
in its absolute form. 
 
A phrase like "the son of the King" but never "a son of the King" nor "the 
son of a king"
 
 
 
the X of the Y
or
 
a X of  a Y
 
but never
 
the X of a Y
 
nor 
 
a X of the Y
 
Does this make sense?
 
Kevin
 

 
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From: Bob MacDonald <bobmacdonald AT shaw.ca>
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Subject: [b-hebrew] Song of Solomon 1:1


In the beginning of this book, I see the phrase translated as The Song of
Songs. Does the prefix apply a definite article to the whole phrase or just
to the 'songs'? Could it be read as A song of the songs? - i.e. implying
there were other songs in the cited group.



thanks



Bob



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Dear Uri,
The root KBB, or for that mater QBB, is a variant of the root GBB ‘to be
high’. Other relatives are KFF ‘to bend over’ and XFF ‘to cover’. I can
understand QBB ‘to curse’ in the metaphoric sense of mounting imprecations,
but where did the learned chair get QBB(or KBB)in the sense of 'to burn'?
>From HBHB ‘to flicker’ or from KOKAB star? I wonder.
Isaac Fried, Boston University

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[mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Uri Hurwitz
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:54 AM
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Subject: [b-hebrew] Refutation

 Shortly after the sensational claim of the earleist proto- Canaanite
inscription ever discovered was made - see below - what appears as complete
refutation by an Egyptologist appeared :

In response to the announcement of the alleged discovery 
of 
Proto-Canaanite spells in the Pyramid Texts by Richard 
Steiner 
distributed via the EEF and Agade lists (a pdf-file in 
Ivrit is 
available at 
<http://hebrew-academy.huji.ac.il/PDF/steiner.pdf >), 
I think it is imperative to be extremely cautious.

As far as I see, the author did not account for the most 
recent 
Egyptological treatment of the spells in questions (C. 
Leitz, Die 
Schlangensprüche in den Pyramidentexten. Or 65 (1996): 
381-427) and 
not all the lexemes pretended to appear in the spells can 
be 
assumed to have existed around 2500 BC within a single 
dialect 
(e.g. Hw "snake" is Old Aramaic and more recent; with a 
chronological gap of 1500 years). Most notably, the sound 
correspondences postulated by the author would in many 
instances 
not be possible in the Egyptian transcription systems of 
the 2nd 
millennium, and seem to be outright impossible for the 3rd 
millennium. These IMPOSSIBLE correspondances include:

- Eg. <k> for Semitic /q/ (line 5, 8, 12 on p. 3f.) (the 
correct 
correspondance would lead to kbb "to burn" instead of qbb 
"conjure" 
etc.)
- <t> for /Tet/ (line 7)
- <t> for /Dalet/ (line 7) (possible from the 2nd mill. 
onward; 
around 2500 the Eg. Ayin-grapheme still represented the 
voiced 
dental)
- <T> (t with diacritic stroke) for /t/ or /Tet/ (line 13, 
14, 18) 
(<T> represents a palatalized /k/)
- <Ayin> for <Ayin> (line 18) (possible from ca. 2000 BC)
- <S> for emphatic sibilants/interdentals (line 18) (never 
possible).

This makes the assumptions put forward by the author 
highly 
unlikely.

Best regards,
Thomas Schneider
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Prof. Dr. Thomas Schneider
Chair in Egyptology
Department of Classics, Ancient History, and Egyptology
University of Wales Swansea
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On 1/25/07, Yitzhak Sapir wrote:    >..... "Proto-Canaanite-Spells in  >
Hieroglyphics: An Initial Review of the Development of Hebrew in the  > 3rd
Millenium BCE"  ......<  
   
   

 
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