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Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: "Desire of Women" in Heb. Text of Dan. 11:37
- From: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard AT ont.com>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: "Desire of Women" in Heb. Text of Dan. 11:37
- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:24:27 -0600
Arthur Gershman wrote:
HH: Here is another aspect of Haggai 2:23 that seems to tie it into the thread of messianic prophecy. The verse seems to undo a curse on the Davidic line pronounced against Jeconiah. I discuss part of an article called "Jeconiah and the Signet Ring," by B. R. Burton, taken from a Messianic Jewish website:
"May the Messiah come speedily in our days."
http://messianicart.com/chazak/yeshua/jeconiah.htm
Burton writes:
Now, to avoid all confusion, there are several interchangeable names applied to Jeconiah. These additional variants are Jehoiakhin and Coniah. So, when you see these names differ, please understand they are referring to the same individual. Now, Let's look at the text:
"As I live," says YHVH, "though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, were the signet ring on My right hand, yet I would pluck you off; and I will give you into the hand of those who seek your life, and into the hand of those whose face you fear - the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and the hand of the Chaldeans. So I will cast you out, and your mother who bore you, into another country where you were not born; and there you shall die. But to the land to which they desire to return, there they shall not return. "Is this man Coniah a despised, broken idol - A vessel in which is no pleasure? Why are they cast out, he and his descendants, And cast into a land which they do not know? O earth, earth, earth, Hear the word of YHVH! Thus says YHVH: 'Write this man down as childless, A man who shall not prosper in his days; For none of his descendants shall prosper, Sitting on the throne of David, And ruling anymore in Judah.' " Jeremiah 22:24 - 29 . . . .
HH: In reference to a curse on Jeconiah (Coniah) and his seed, Burton notes that God compares Jeconiah to a signet ring on his finger that he will pull off. Burton continues:
However, the Tanakh seems to indicate that the curse on Jeconiah was reversed, through the person of Zerubbabel. Compare this text in Haggai 2 to Jeremiah 22 above:
In that day, says YHVH Tzva'ot, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, says YHVH, and will make thee as a signet ring: for I have chosen thee, says YHVH Tzva'ot.
Haggai 2:23
Notice the phraseology:
" . . . though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, were the signet ring (khotahm, ~twx) on My right hand, yet I would pluck you off"
Jeremiah 22:24
Now, as noted above, he says to Zerubabbel, the grandson of Jeconiah:
". . . O Zerubbabel, my servant, and will make thee as a signet ring (khotahm, ~twx): for I have chosen thee, says YHVH Tzva'ot."
Haggai 2:23
The phraseology of the "signet ring" here implies that the curse was lifted. Moreover, this argument is in full agreement with Jewish tradition, unlike the arguments of the anti-missionaries. The Talmud says,
HH: The idea could be that just as the wickedness of Jeconiah brought a curse on the house of David, so the godliness of Zerubbabel brought a removal of that curse, at least in some future sense. Burton makes the point that Haggai's language seems deliberately to allude back to the the divine language in the curse against Jeconiah recorded in Jeremiah 22:24-29.
Yours,
Harold Holmyard
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[b-hebrew] Fw: "Desire of Women" in Heb. Text of Dan. 11:37,
Arthur Gershman, 11/15/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: "Desire of Women" in Heb. Text of Dan. 11:37,
Harold Holmyard, 11/15/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: "Desire of Women" in Heb. Text of Dan. 11:37,
Arthur Gershman, 11/15/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: "Desire of Women" in Heb. Text of Dan. 11:37, Harold Holmyard, 11/15/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: "Desire of Women" in Heb. Text of Dan. 11:37,
Arthur Gershman, 11/15/2006
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