Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

    The following statement by Joel Stucki is simply wrong:
   
  ....."Basically anything earlier than the Davidic Monarchy 
  is hopelessly lost to time and lack of records. While there is
   nothing that would make the biblical story impossible (although
   there are a few rough spots), there is also nothing to support it...."  
   
    One need not be a fundamentalist, a maximalist or an Israeli 
  nationalist to be familiar with facts that are in flat contradiction to
  such statements.It is true that people like Yitshak Sapir and others
  regurgitate such claims.Those who make them do not let facts
  confuse their pre-established opinions.
   
    Since this list specifes another subject, I won't discuss the historicity 
  even in broadest outline. Let me just mention a few titles for those who 
  may wish to acquaint themselves with  this matter:
   
    For a thorough general introduction:
   
    On the Reliability of the Old Testament   by K. A. Kitchen
   
    This is based on a vast collection of extra-biblical materials from
   the entire Ancient Near East. Indispensable for anyoneone interested
   in the historicity of the HB.
    The author, in addition to being a prominent Egyptologist, studied 
   and published on wider ANE subjects, including  the multi volume work
   on South Arabian Inscriptions. Incidentally this book is written in a 
   very readable, easy to follow style.
   
  A few more titles:
   
    Israel in Egypt ,   subtitled The evidence for the Authenticity of the 
Exodus Tradition   by   James K. Hoffmeier.   The author is a biblical 
scholar and and Egyptologist .
   
    Windows into Old Testament History  ed. by V. Philip Long, David. W. 
Baker and Gordon J.Wenham.
   
    Mesopotamia and the Bible  ed. by Mark W. Chavalas and K.Lawson Younger, 
Jr.
   
    Sacred Time Sacred Place, subtitled Archaeology and the Religion of 
Israel ed.by Barry. M. Gittlen.
   
    In addition, many issues of the magazine Biblicial Archaeological Review 
deal with this subject. The magazine is aimed at the general public , yet 
many articles are written by specialists in the field.
   
   Cheers,
   
   Uri Hurwitz
   
  
   

                
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Subject: [b-hebrew] Yemenite Jews - pronounciation differences
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I understand that the Yemenite Jews pronounce the UnDageshed Dalet as a soft 
'th' as in English; that they pronounce the Dageshed Gimmel as in English 
'George' and the 'Vav' as 'wor' (ie not as a hard 'V' when a consonant), 
they also pronounce the UnDageshed Tav also like 'th' in English so to 
speak.

My question surrounds the only comment that I read, (without any fuller 
explanation dissappointingly), and that was QUOTE"....this is an ancient, 
correct and pure pronounciation". As confirmed by other eminent Jewish 
scholars.  My problem is threefold:

1. Historical sources are conflicting in saying either that the yemenite 
jews were in this region beginning with Solomon, that they came just before 
Ezra, that they arrived in 200 AD? If any of these are correct that would 
mean that the masoretes were well aware of their pronounciation?

2. IF this is a correct and pure pronounciation, how are these scholars able 
to establish this?

3. IF number two is true.......Why is the biblical hebrew pronounced 
differently as regards the aforementioned letters?

Thankyou Chris. (By the way I do read all posts and have gained in a 
positive way from the Canaanite subject - Thankyou to Peter, yigal, Karl, 
everyone - even Yitzhak)

Chris Watts
Ireland