Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Stephen <stephen4yeshua AT yahoo.com>]

What I am also TRYING TO UNDERSTAND is the logical progression of Abraham's
Language to the language of his children and logically onto the Israelites in 
Egypt.
   
  Stephen Benjamin, Texas

Chris and Nel <wattswestmaas AT eircom.net> wrote:
  
CHRIS REPLIES...... Yitzhak, my original question is listed not as a
linguistic challenge. When a student asks questions to a teacher they are
not always framed as closed-ended questions. Sometimes they are framed in
the form of rhetorical deliberation that berays an ignorance of orthodox
discussion in this sort of environment.

Secondly I never believed that Hebrew came from Aramaic EVER. What I am
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND is to follow the logical progression of Abraham's
Language to the language of his children and logically onto the Israelites
in Egypt. Since you do not believe that Abraham existed - ok! But there is
even less evidence for the existence of a few historical characters which
the Historian would never doubt. I could run through quite a list of Norse
kings, saxon warriors, Angle invaders, Jutes, Heathobards. Some of these
names are mentioned only ONCE. Yet their existence is never doubted!

What about the Akkadian rulers and the Egyptian King lists. I could ask you
to tell me upon what empirical data you base your conviction that dear old
Avram might never have existed. Essentially this was where my questions
began.

YITZHAK SAID
".....but you cannot use the historical claims to invent new linguistic
data...."

CHRIS REPLIES
I was not inventing anything - I was reasoning somewhat usuccessfully - to
try to understand something.


YITZHAK SAID:
> "maybe", "circumstantially" are not good enough and only lead toward
> a process of creating hypothetical but unlikely scenarios.

CHRIS REPLIES: Hypothetical discussions are an absolute necessity!

YITZHAK SAID:
In the process, claims must be proven. "would", "could",.......

CHRIS REPLIES:
Firstly I never make claims - if I ever did that on this forum I would never 
use the words 'maybe' 'could' 'would' might have' 'possible' .....

I live in the 19th century and I claim that The Hittites existed because I
choose to believe in the CLAIMS made by historical documents from different
sources of the bible. What would you have said - "Where is the unshakeable 
evidence"?

Chris Watts
Ireland.


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On 6/30/06, Stephen <stephen4yeshua AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> What I am also TRYING TO UNDERSTAND is the logical progression of Abraham's
> Language to the language of his children and logically onto the Israelites 
> in Egypt.
>
>   Stephen Benjamin, Texas

Yitzhak gave a very good post on minimalist vs maximalist that
summarizes the situation very precisely. I encourage you to read that
post. Basically anything earlier than the Davidic Monarchy is
hopelessly lost to time and lack of records. While there is nothing
that would make the biblical story impossible (although there are a
few rough spots), there is also nothing to support it. A good question
would be: what do we know about the progression of Hebrew from David's
time to the second temple period? To reconstruct earlier than this
(and you will find no shortage of theories tracing Hebrew back to
Adam) is a matter of speculation or faith.
Where Yitzhak and I differ is that he has defended the position that
scholarly methods and archaeological/linguistic data are the only
method available to know the "true" history. While I have great
respect for that position I would have to say that inspiration is also
a source for knowing the "true" history but discussion of such is way
beyond the scope of this list. However, if you are looking to know
much about such details of Abraham I am afraid that is the only place
you can turn. Best of luck to you.

Joel Stucki
Phoenix, AZ