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- From: Rolf Furuli <furuli AT online.no>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] shwa
- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:17:20 +0100
Dear Peter,
Dear Peter,
I do not know whether your claim that the Greeks did not use doble iota as consonants is true or false. But the lack of such in a few texts is not sufficient to make a rule. However, the Greek letter theta can be doubled. In Psalm 18:40 Origen transcribes the WAYYIQTOL as OUQEZORHNI, in 30:12 as OUEQAZERHNI, AND IN 18:36 as OUQEQQEN. Note particularly the epsilon after OU- in 30:12 and the geminated theta in 18:36. These examples suggests that there was no gemination in WAYYIQTOLs in Origen's Vorlage.
Again, if Origen sought to restore the original vowels and consonants, the lack of difference between WAYYIQTOL and WEYIQTOL in his writing suggests that there was no "original" diffeerence between the two. In any case, a graphic difference between YIQTOLs with prefixed WAW is not found in Origen, in the LXX, or in the Samaritan tradition. The first time we see such a difference is in the Masoretic text.
Best regards,
Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo
Peter Kirk wrote:
On 15/03/2006 12:37, Rolf Furuli wrote:
Dear Yitzhak,
Origen transcribes WA- and WE- as OU- before nouns particles and other words as well as before verbs. It does not appear that YOD is ever geminated in the manuscripts that have been found, but the material is very small. I am not aware of any instance where YOD should have been geminated, but is not.
Except of course for OUIEDABBER in Psalm 18:48, which if you are comparing with the Masoretic text certainly "should have been geminated". The absence of any examples of consonantal geminated iota in the Hexapla, and for that matter in all of the transcribed Hebrew etc names in the LXX and the New Testament (even where the underlying Hebrew has geminated yod as in `ayyah, 1 Chronicles 7:28, where the Greek is GAIA), clearly demonstrates that Greek simply did not use double iota as a consonant. This is sufficient in itself to explain the lack of gemination in the Greek form OUIEDABBER, even if the underlying Hebrew was in fact geminated.
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Yitzhak Sapir, 03/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Rolf Furuli, 03/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Yitzhak Sapir, 03/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Herman Meester, 03/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Rolf Furuli, 03/15/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Peter Kirk, 03/15/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] shwa, Rolf Furuli, 03/15/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] shwa, Yitzhak Sapir, 03/15/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] shwa, Rolf Furuli, 03/15/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] shwa, Peter Kirk, 03/15/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] shwa, Rolf Furuli, 03/15/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Peter Kirk, 03/15/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Rolf Furuli, 03/15/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] shwa, Peter Kirk, 03/15/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Herman Meester, 03/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Yitzhak Sapir, 03/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Rolf Furuli, 03/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Yitzhak Sapir, 03/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] shwa,
Rolf Furuli, 03/17/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] shwa, yudickya, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] shwa, Herman Meester, 03/17/2006
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