Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

This may of interest to some on this list . The book was published by 
Bar-Ilan Univeristy .Thanks to J.Lauer for the inormation.
   
  Uri
              
      
      BIBLICAL STUDIES      
      ANNOTATED HEBREW TRANSLATION OF THE SEPTUAGINT VERSION OF GENESIS
    M. Zipor
        
      
      In this volume the Septuagint is translated from Greek to Hebrew. The 
Greek version serves as the oldest textual testimony and exegesis. The book 
includes a suggested reconstruction of the original Hebrew text with emphasis 
on the differences between the Septuagint and the Masoretic texts, extensive 
explanatory notes and comparisons with other ancient exegesis and textual 
sources.
  Hebrew. 
  ISBN 965 226 240 4
(in press) 
      
        


                        
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Dear Harold,

See my comments below.

Harold Holmyard wrote:

>Dear Rolf,
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>>Dear Karl,
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>>Your last words are true, we have no way to know the old pronunciation, or,
>>as one of the Israeli scholars on the list earlier suggested (I do not
>>remember who), the pronunciations. (Diachronically speaking a language and
>>word pronunciation tend to change.) The Masoretic shewa of the first
>>syllable need not show that the vowel of that syllable in B.C.E. would
>>resemble E, since the default prununciation of shewa in the days of the
>>Masorets (who used the shewa) was "A".
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>HH: Thanks for the reminder.
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>>The theophoric names beginning in YEHO- contain the first part of the divine
>>name, and there is no way to know whether the O of the second syllable is an
>>original vowel or whether it represents the third letter (WAW) of YHWH. So, 
>>only two things
>>seem to be quite certain, namely, that the name had three syllables and that
>>the vowel of the second syllable was O.
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>HH: You have confused me here. Are you saying that the Hebrew equivalent 
>of Jehoiakim (the name in the subject header) had three syllables? Then 
>you would not be counting the initial shewa as a syllable. This may be 
>the way shewa is treated in counting meter. If the Massoretes pronounced 
>the shewa as an "A," how would they have avoided  having four syllables?
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Two modern forms of YHWH are used in Bible transltations, namely, Yahweh 
and Jehovah. They have different vowels, and the first one has two 
syllables while the second has three. My argument has been that Yahweh 
can be excluded as a form close to the original for two principal 
reasons, 1) It has no basis whatsoever in unpointed Hebrew texts or in 
the Masoretic text, and 2) it has two syllables, while the theophoric 
names suggest that YHWH had three syllables.

The divine name is found in three variants, in the Tanach as YHWH and 
the shortened form YH (with qamets in MT), and in the Elephantine papyri 
as YHW. The shortened form YH does not tell us anything about the number 
of syllables in the full form, but the theophoric names do. It is clear 
that the O in YE:HOYFKIN is the vowel of the second syllable of the 
theophoric element in the name.  Two more letters occur in the divine 
name (WH), but they are not included in the theophoric names. Regardless 
of whether the O in the second syllable is an independent vowel or is  
the consonat W of the divine name that now is read as a vowel,  there 
must be one more syllable after  YE:HO.  Thus, the divine name must have 
(at least) three syllables.  I am not saying that YE:HOYFKIN has three 
syllables but that YHWH has three syllables.

The Aramaic form is often read as YAHU, but that is a conjecture, since 
we do not know the vowels. We know that the ending of the qal form of 
second person singular masculine QATAL in unpointed texts in most cases 
ends with taw, and the qamets must be supplied. In some cases, however, 
the forms end in taw he, and the he stands for the qamets.  This *may* 
also be the case with YHW.  Because of the O of the second syllable and 
the A or E of the first, likely readings of the divine name would be 
YAHOWA, YAHOWE, YEHOWA, or YEHOWE. And the Elephantine YHW could signify 
one of these if the last H of YHWH represented the vowel A. Therefore, 
YHW could be the full consonantal form of the divine name.

Best regards,

Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo

>Yours,
>Harold Holmyard
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>>Best regards,
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>>Rolf Furuli
>>University of Oslo
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>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
>>To: "b-hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:43 AM
>>Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Theophoric Name: Y:HOWYFQIYM
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