Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Kevin W. Woodruff" <cierpke AT prodigy.net>]

Peter:

I have notes from the NKJV and this is what they say:

There are eight places where Bomberg (=the TR of the
KJV) differs from BHK/BHS (=MT in our notes). In these
places the note explains that the NKJV is following
the Hebrew used by the KJV 1611 translators rather
than the modern critical editions of the MT. The
agreement or disagreement of the ancient versions is
also indicated in these places. (See Prov. 8:16; Isa.
10:16; 27:2; 38:14; Ezek. 30:18; Zeph. 3:15; and Mal.
1:12; also Jer. 34:1 without a note.) 

Prov. 8:16 
By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of
the earth. (KJV, LXX, Bomberg)
By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of
righteousness (BHS, Syriac, Vulgate)

Isa. 10:16; 
Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send
among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he
shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.
(KJV, Bomberg)

Therefore shall the Lord, the LORD of hosts, send
among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he
shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.
(BHS)


Isa 27:2
In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine.
(BHK, Bomberg, Vulgate)
In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of delight
(BHS, some Hebrew mss, LXX)
In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of choice
(Targum)

Isa 38:14; 
Like a crane or a swallow, so did I chatter: I did
mourn as a dove: mine eyes fail with looking upward: O
LORD, I am oppressed; undertake for me. (KJV, Bomberg)

Like a crane or a swallow, so did I chatter: I did
mourn as a dove: mine eyes fail with looking upward: O
Lord, I am oppressed; undertake for me. (BHS, Dead Sea
Scrolls)

Ezek. 30:18; 
At Tehaphnehes also the day shall be darkened, when I
shall break there the yokes of Egypt: and the pomp of
her strength shall cease in her: as for her, a cloud
shall cover her, and her daughters shall go into
captivity. (KJV, Bomberg, Many Hebrew mss., Syriac,
Targum, Vulgate)

At Tehaphnehes also the day shall be refrained, when I
shall break there the yokes of Egypt: and the pomp of
her strength shall cease in her: as for her, a cloud
shall cover her, and her daughters shall go into
captivity. (BHS)

Zeph. 3:15; 
The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast
out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is
in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any
more. (KJV, Bomberg, Hebrew mss, LXX)

The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast
out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is
in the midst of thee: thou shalt not fear any more.
(BHS, Vulgate)


Mal. 1:12; 
But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of
the LORD is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his
meat, is contemptible. (KJV, Bomberg)

But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of
the Lord is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his
meat, is contemptible. (BHS)

Jer. 34:1 (without a note)
The word which came unto Jeremiah from Jehovah, when
Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and all his army, and
all the kingdoms of the earth that were under his
dominion, and all the peoples, were fighting against
Jerusalem, and against all the cities thereof, saying:
(KJV, Bomberg)

The word which came unto Jeremiah from Jehovah, when
Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and all his army, and
all the kingdoms of the earth that were under his
dominion, and all the peoples, were fighting against
Jerusalem, and against all the cities thereof, saying:
(BHS)



--- Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:

> On 28/07/2005 03:02, Schmuel wrote:
> 
> >Hi Folks,
> >
> >Subject was: Re: [b-hebrew]  Jacob ben Hayyim -was
> YHWH Pronunciation
> >
> >Steven Miller,
> >  
> >
> >>biographical info on Jacob  ben Hayyim? .. 
>
>>http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion/bible/glossary.htm
> >>"In 1524, Jacob ben Hayyim published a printed
> text of the Hebrew Old Testament, using a multitude
> of high quality manuscripts, including several lists
> of Masoretic notes. This became a standard for
> printed Jewish Bibles.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >I believe this is 100% accurate, until the 20th
> century and the modern textcrit movement, ie. until 
> Gerhard Kittel's third edition.  Checking Kittel in
> the biography is also an interesting research
> endeavor, especially for those so worried about the
> spiritual purity of their Bible text laborers.
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Only in the last two hundred years has it been so
> accepted in the Christian world. "
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >This doesn't make sense, since it was used for the
> King James Bible.  Likely the Geneva also, although
> that should be checked. ...
> >
> 
> The story may not be that simple. Ben Hayyim's text
> is called the 
> "Second Rabbinic Bible", but before that there was
> the "First Rabbinic 
> Bible", published by Daniel Bomberg in Venice and
> 1517 - see 
> http://www.glaird.com/inspire3.htm. See further
> below.
> 
> By the way, I also found a link (untested) to a free
> downloadable Ben 
> Hayyim Bible at
> http://www.christianhospitality.org/benchayyim.htm.
> But 
> this is apparently incomplete. This page confuses
> the issue by calling 
> this Second Rabbinic Bible the Bomberg Bible -
> although Bomberg was 
> perhaps the printed of both.
> 
> >... And there really weren't other Christian Bibles
> of note till about
> >1880. ...
> >
> 
> This isn't fair. English is not the only language in
> the world! Also, 
> before these two was the translation of William
> Tyndale (about half of 
> the Hebrew Bible) and John Rogers (alias Thomas
> Matthew, who completed 
> Tyndale's work), also the Great Bible which is
> probably based on Tyndale 
> and Rogers. Indeed, the KJV is based largely (83%,
> according to one 
> estimate) on the work of Tyndale and Rogers,
> although revised from a 
> variety of Hebrew texts including both the First and
> Second Rabbinic 
> Bibles. But did Tyndale use Ben Hayyim's text? It
> would have been very 
> newly published when Tyndale started work on
> translating the Hebrew in 
> the late 1520's. I can't find any clear statement of
> which text Tyndale 
> used, but at
>
http://www.litencyc.com/php/sworks.php?rec=true&UID=3271
> it 
> is suggested that at least one of his sources was
> Ximenez' 1517 
> Complutensian Polyglot.
> 
> Tyndale also worked with Luther and from his
> translation. Now Luther 
> cannot have used the Ben Hayyim text because he was
> working before Ben 
> Hayyim (his Pentateuch was published in 1523); in
> fact it seems he used 
> Gerson's 1494 Brescia edition (see The New
> Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of 
> Religious Knowledge (1908-1912) as quoted at 
> http://www.bible-researcher.com/hebrewtext1.html).
> 
> But does this actually make any difference?
> According to one site I 
> found, there are a total of just EIGHT differences
> between the Ben 
> Hayyim and Ben Asher (Aleppo/Leningrad) texts, none
> of which affect the 
> meaning. (I accept that this count of eight does not
> include the 
> different pointings of YHWH.) So, are the
> differences really enough to 
> make a fuss about?
> 
> > ...
> >
> >KJB used the ben Hayim text directly as its primary
> underlying text, augmented more with things like
> Kimchi's grammar than anything else. ...
> >
> 
> It seems that the KJV translators in fact followed
> Tyndale and Rogers as 
> much as any Hebrew text. And Ben Hayyim's edition
> was only one of the 
> many Hebrew texts they had available.
> 
> -- 
> Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
> 
> 
> 
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