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  • From: kieron cronin <kjcronin2004 AT yahoo.co.uk>
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  • Subject: [b-hebrew] qere perpetuum
  • Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:33:40 +0100 (BST)

can anyone tell me how many qere perpetua there are in the reading of the
Bible? For that matter, how many qere are there?

K J Cronin


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What compounds this issue is the fact that YHWH as a deity was definitely
attested in the Mesha Inscription, that is, the end of the ninth century BCE;
there is no reason to assume that this was a brand new deity. It may well
have been worshipped some centuries before that as the Egyptian "The People
of YHW" strongly suggests, even if the expression refers to a toponym.
During these centuries, before the name became taboo, its pronounciation
may well have changed, both according to regions and with time. So when the
attempt is made to reconstruct it one may well ask -- to what period, to
the way it was pronounced by the Masoretes, by writers of the DSS, by scribes
in the Persian period, by those who erected the first temple?

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After=20hearing=20all=20the=20evidences=20in=20favour=20of=20a=20bisyllabi=
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pronunciation=20my=20curiosity=20has=20been=20much=20aroused.
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terminating=20vocal=20he?
Is=20the=20pronunciation=20Yahoh/Yahuh=20possible?
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ng=20vowel=20of=20
type=20o/u?
If=20so,=20why=20do=20names=20comprising=20Yaho/Yahu=20emit=20the=20final=20=
he?

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  • [b-hebrew] qere perpetuum, kieron cronin, 07/20/2005

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