Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Yigal Levin" <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>]

Hi Jack,

The town of Qayin (Kain) in Josh 15.57 has been identfied at Hkirbet Nebi
Yaqin, NE of Ziph. The relationship between this town and the Kenites is a
good idea (and I'm sure has been thought of), but I doubt that it would have
been their main encampment. 1 Sam. 15:6 has Saul tell the Kenites to get out
of Amalekite territory before his attack. In 1 Sam. 27:10, David tells
Achish that he raided "the Negeb of the Kenites". Both of these references
would place the Kenites in the Negeb (i.e. the Beer-Sheba - Arad valley);
the town of Qayin is farther north, in the eastern Judean hill-country. It
is possible, however, that it was settled by a "branch" of the Kenites that
had wandered into the hills.

In any case, the wording of Judges 4:11 "niphrad m..." always reffers, as
far as I can remember, to "taking leave" of a person ("Kain" here being
treated as a collective personality), never a place.

Yigal
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Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:23 AM
Subject: [b-hebrew] Judges 4:11 & Joshua 15:57


> Judges 4:11 reads something like:
>
>
> And Heber the Qeyniy leaving from Qayin from the sons of
> Hobab the male-in-law of Moses...
>
> In an earlier thread the translation Qeyniy and Qayin were
> both Kenite (or Cainite).  So Judges 4:11 was Heber was a
> Kenite/Cainite who moved away from the other Kenites who
> were the sons of Moses' in-law, Hobab...
>
> However, in Joshua 15:57 there is town in Judea near Karmel
> and Gibeah called the Qayin.  Might Qayin in the context of
> Judges 4:11 simply mean the town of the same name, rather
> than the tribe.  So might Judges 4:11 read
>
> Heber the Cainite left the town of Cain where the sons of
> Hobab, Moses' in-law, lived and pitched his tent...
>
> Is that possible reading?
>
> Jack Tladatsi
>
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