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[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

  Any suggestion for the meaning of the last three words in Neh. 4:17,  ish 
shilh(.)o hamayim?
 
 Each word is perfectly clear but not when combined in a phrase. I seem to 
remember that it was omitted in one of the LXX versions; I interpret this to 
mean that the ancient translator felt, like me now, that the phrase was too 
garbled to have a meaning..
 
  Uri

                
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Gen 49:10
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@jim

> Though I am somewhat sympathetic to hypothetical emendation, I think in 
> order for it to have staying power, it has to be reflected textually 
> somewhere.  That is, in one of the Hebrew ms or in one of the versions  
> somewhere needs to translate accordingly.  I say this because if the 
> word were differently divided in any textual tradition, translators 
> would have seen it.  Is Steward's emendation present in any of the 
> versions?  Not according to BHS (which only notes that some mss of the 
> Sam. Pent. omit the yod).  Even the LXX's rendering maintains the unity 
> of the syllables.


Response: No, Stuart does not supply any versions that back him up, instead 
he just says that the vowels were the Masorites opinion written long after 
the text and says that we need to keep this in mind.

The only support he shows is from Professor  W.L.Morgan in an article found 
in Biblica 39( 1958), pp 405-25, titled Gen 49:10 and it's use in Eze 21:32.

And when I flipped to Eze 21:32 in the BHS there are some similarities, but I 
did not take the time to look at the context etc.  Just bouncing ideas around.

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Kelton Graham
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