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- From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel AT juno.com>
- To: leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org, biblical-studies AT yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5
- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:08:39 -0600
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:48:10 +0200 "Yigal Levin" <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
writes:
> According to Joshua 7:4, Joshua's first attempt at capturing Ai was
> made with ke$lo$et alapim i$, "about three thousand men". In the
> next verse, the men of Ai smote of them ke$lo$im ve$iSah i$, "about
> thirty six men".
>
> The prefix kaph is usually translated "like", "about" and so on.
> However in this context, "about 36" does not make sense. 36 is an
> exact number. I know that the Greek gives "eis", "into", but that
> doesn't explain anything. I've seen theories ranging from scribal
> error (dittography due to the preceding "ke$lo$et" - but with no
> textual evidence) through a theory of a 6-based system of counting,
> to the midrash that only Jair ben Manasseh was killed, but he was
> "like 36 men". I know that "eleph" is often thought to be a military
> or clan unit, so "about three elephs" makes sense. I also know that
> "$elo$im" may also be a military unit (as in 2 Sam. 23), so that
> "about a $elo$im" would also work, but then what about the extra 6?
> "about a $elo$im and six" does not.
>
> And before anyone asks, the only known Qumran version (4QJosh a and
> b) is missing this particular column.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Yigal Levin
> (and please excuse the cross-posting)
> _______________________________________________
Unless I am misreading the text, the entry in BDB under "K" seems to
indicate that it can be used to express EITHER an exact or an approximate
number. You might check it out and see what you think it's saying.
george
gfsomsel
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[b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5,
Yigal Levin, 12/15/2004
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- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Peter Kirk, 12/15/2004
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- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Dave Washburn, 12/15/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5,
Jim West, 12/15/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Yigal Levin, 12/15/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5,
Jim West, 12/15/2004
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5,
George F Somsel, 12/15/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Yigal Levin, 12/15/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5,
Karl Randolph, 12/15/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Yigal Levin, 12/15/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Jerry Shepherd, 12/15/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Yigal Levin, 12/15/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, George F Somsel, 12/15/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Karl Randolph, 12/16/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Karl Randolph, 12/16/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] "about" Josh. 7:4-5, Yigal Levin, 12/16/2004
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