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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: VC <vadim_lv AT center-tv.net>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words
- Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:08:13 +0100
On 27/09/2004 12:55, VC wrote:
...On your theory, how would you get the possessed form malki from melk? And how would you get the different paradigms beged > bigdi, neged > negdi, sefer (first vowel is tsere) > sifri? The whole thing is more complicated than you seem to realise, and can be sorted out only by a detailed phonological study. Harold has provided some pointers to the work on this e.g. of Coetzee.
It seems very clear to me as a linguist that surface forms like MELEK
are a recent phonological development from underlying MALK etc.
It seems not less clear to me that melek arose from melk (with tzere), not
from malk. How would the patah produce e-sound?
Two segols more or less implies a segolate noun or adjective, so this question becomes circular. But here is an example: yedkem, with two tseres, from yad + -kem. Gesenius (9f) writes: "Segol... by origin belongs sometimes to the second, but most frequently to the first vowel class... It belongs to the first class when it is a modification of a..." His evidence is mostly from comparisons with Arabic, but many of these can be confirmed by comparison with a whole set of other Semitic languages. The cognate of Hebrew 'erets has an initial a vowel in Ugaritic, Aramaic, Syriac, Arabic, Soqotri and Mehri, which is a fairly good indication that the "a" vowel (also found of course in many Hebrew forms) is original and the segol a modification of it, rather than vice versa.Hebrew inserts a vowel and makes a compensatory change to the preceding
vowel, which is not found in inflected forms.
Would you recall any instance in Hebrew when two segols arose from anything
else than tzere-shwa? Gesenius presumes they arose from patah-shwa.
In general, would you recall segol-compensatory shortening of any other
sound than tzere?
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Peter Kirk
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[b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words, Peter Kirk, 09/27/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words, Vadim Cherny, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 09/27/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words, VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
VC, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] A question on the segollate words,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2004
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