Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

Dave Washburn <dwashbur AT nyx.net>   quoted the following , from Peter  Kirk?
> Another good reason for using Hebrew text is for the mother tongue
> Hebrew speakers on the list. It doesn't exactly make things easier for
> them, or make for better relationships, when we western Christians
> insist on using our script for their language. 

To which one can only say : this is a noble sntiment! 

One can also add that whoever joins the list  is persumably not only familiar 
with the Latin script, but must have at least some knowledge of English.

It is also good to keep in mind that Latin and Hebrew use the same West 
Canaanite script, though with some modifications. My students used to be 
suprised when I pointed this out and indicated that even the sequence of  
many letters remains the same: Q, R, S, T  cf. with Quf Reish Shin Tav, or 
K,L,M,N  cf.with Kaf , Lamed, Mem Nun , not to mention the very beginning of 
the Alphabet.

Cheers

Uri



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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question about Song of the Sea
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I'm not sure anyone quite understood - but one of my two efforts to post =
that stuff from Strong's and the International Bible Encyclopedia used =
Unicode.  My e-mail displayed the Hebrew as gibberish - but once I =
copied and pasted it into WORD and then highlighted the gibberish and =
changed the font to Hebrew, the Hebrew text returned - and those words =
that I could recognize were unscathed.  SUS, for instance.  =20

Too bad the list isnt at Yahoo, where one can upload files in a variety =
of formats that can;t be posted to the list or that are intended for =
permanent reference. =20

I wouldn't actually want to write an entire post in Hebrew; just a few =
words.   With their transliterations. =20

I checked; I actually have WL Hebrew Parsons and WP Hebrew David =
installed on my computer.  Possibly from the searching I did sometime =
ago.

Only questions - how do you get it to write from right to left (It =
currently writes from left to right) and how do you put the vowel =
markers in?  =20


Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra AT austin.rr.com
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From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question about Song of the Sea


> Dora, you should be careful with what Dave wrote because it contains=20
> misleading statements and factual errors.
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>=20
> On 28/03/2004 21:38, Dave Washburn wrote:
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> >Then this ain't the place to be.  That's all we use here because of =
the=20
> >diversity of mailers that members use.  Some can handle Hebrew =
script, some=20
> >can't, so we use ASCII transliteration as the lowest common =
denominator. =20
> >It's not an ideal situation, but the good part is, it allows those =
occasional=20
> >visitors who don't read Hebrew script to participate as well.
> > =20
> >
>=20
> I propose that we use snail mail rather than e-mail because that is =
the=20
> lowest common denominator to include people who don't have computers. =
Or=20
> perhaps we should send voice messages rather than writing anything for =

> the sake of English speakers who don't read English script. :-)
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> Alternatively, we can try to rise above the lowest common denominator.
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> >And considering the plethora of Hebrew fonts out there, ...
> >
>=20
> This is irrelevant. There are international standards for interchange =
of=20
> Hebrew text in e-mail, Unicode and ISO 8859-8. Text which is encoded=20
> according to these standards can be displayed by any standard Hebrew=20
> font, including (although not very beautifully, as George Somsel =
pointed=20
> out re holam) Times New Roman and the other Microsoft core fonts.
>=20
> >... trying to settle on=20
> >one particular one for the whole list would be a major headache, and =
would=20
> >exclude those with text-only mail programs.
> > =20
> >
>=20
> This is an error of fact. It is quite possible to send Hebrew in plain =

> text-only e-mail, as follows: =
=D7=91=D6=BC=D6=B0=D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D7=81=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=AA - if =
you set the character coding=20
> to Unicode or ISO 8859-8. If a mail program cannot display this, it is =

> not because it is text-only but because it does not support Hebrew.=20
> (Dora, this is what you failed to do in your posting which was =
supposed=20
> to be Unicode; Outlook Express does allow you to do so.)
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> As there are plenty of free e-mail clients now available which do=20
> support Hebrew, I think it is reasonable to ask those interested in=20
> Hebrew to install one. After all, if one is really interested in a=20
> subject one needs to acquire the basic tools for that subject.
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> --=20
> Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
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Thankyou!

If native speakers of Hebrew have trouble with English transliterations, why
should I be able to deal with it?

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
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> In a message dated 3/29/2004 12:54:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> peterkirk AT qaya.org writes:
> Another good reason for using Hebrew text is for the mother tongue
> Hebrew speakers on the list. It doesn't exactly make things easier for
> them, or make for better relationships, when we western Christians
> insist on using our script for their language. We wouldn't be very happy
> if they wrote our language in their script, would we?
> __________
>
> Huh?!  What's this supposed to mean.  I wasn't aware we were speaking a
> Christian language with or without a Hebrew script.  I thought we were
discussing
> biblical Hebrew which of necessity involves what we Christians call the
Old
> Testament but our Jewish friends simply the Bible or the TANAK.  Please
explain.
>
> gfsomsel
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