Biblical Hebrew Forum

[CS Bartholomew <jacksonpollock AT earthlink.net>]

Thanks Ken,

1QSa 2:11-12
[h]w)   [zh mw]#b )n#y h#M [qry)y ]mw(d l(ct hyxd )M ywlyd
[)l ] )[t ]hm#yx )tM   ybw)[ hkwhN ]rw)# kwl (dt y#r)l wkwl


I just returned  several armloads of books on the DSS to the library
including Barthelemy DJD #1. I don't fare well in French so your translation
is useful. I am not quibbling about the reading of ywlyd but [)l ] looks to
me like creative imagination. Cannot discover any compelling evidence from
within 1QSa that )l belongs here. D.S. Gaster was not impressed with this
either (The Dead Sea scriptures, in English translation, : Anchor Press,
1976, p.33 n. 10). F.M. Cross disagrees with Gaster, but I was not able to
get my hands on the 3rd edition (1995) of  The Ancient Library of Qumran to
read his remarks. His comments on this in the the 1958 edition (p.64,n.67)
amounted to something like, there is space for two letters here,  )l  fills
this slot better than any alternative. Someone with these books on hand can
improve on this but I think that was the gist of it. Would be nice to find
out what his later comments were on this, been a long time since 1958.

>From a Discourse Analysis perspective introducing a *new* participant/agent
into a text via conjecture where the reading of verb itself is highly
debatable ... well, this doesn't exactly sound like rocket science to me.
But the Qumran Ostracon reading of F.M. Cross didn't strike me as rocket
science either.   

Now I'm getting nasty so I better drop it ...  :-)

greetings,
Clay Bartholomew


On 1/14/04 7:10 AM, "Ken Penner" <pennerkm AT mcmaster.ca> wrote:

> Hi Clay,
> 
> I haven't seen anyone tackle this one yet. Here is my stab at translating
> the DJD notes on the first words of 1QSa 2:12:
> 
> )L )T (proposed by JT Milik): God brings out his people, or his 'arm' (Isa
> 63:12) or Abraham (Jos 24:3). Thus nothing is opposed to the usage of this
> expression regarding the Messiah of Israel. But wouldn't one have to see in
> the whole phrase )M )TM an allusion to the beginning of Ez 36:12 (with the
> LXX variant WHWLDTY for WHWLKTY) which has been understood in a messianic
> sense by our inverterate midrashists?
> 
> Ken Penner, McMaster/DSS
> Dead Sea Scrolls scholars' list owner,
> http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
> 
>> Reading *J.A. Fitzmyer's discussion of this text the one question I wanted
>> answered was not addressed. Looking over the entire content of 1QSa I 
>> cannot
>> figure out what the justification is for supplying  )l as the agent of 
>> ywlyd.
>> From a discourse perspective )l does not appear elsewhere as an explicit
>> agent-participant in 1QSa.
>> 
>> I know there has been much discussion about how to read ywlyd but what I
>> would like to know is what basis is there for supplying )l after ywlyd?
>> 
>> 1QSa 2:11-12
>> [h]w)   [zh mw]#b )n#y h#M [qry)y ]mw(d l(ct hyxd )M ywlyd
>> [)l ] )[t ]hm#yx )tM   ybw)[ hkwhN ]rw)# kwl (dt y#r)l wkwl
> 
>> *Page 84, The Dead Sea scrolls and Christian origins / Joseph
>> A. Fitzmyer.
>> Grand Rapids, Mich. : W.B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., c2000.
>