Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>]

Peter:

Reinier de Blois sent me a reprint of one of his articles, which I have to 
digest before I really disagree with him strongly. I may end up agreeing with 
him. I wouldn’t be surprised if my disagreement with him has more to do with 
his choice of English words than with his understanding of XeSeD. (Was not 
his first language French? If so, that would explain some of my disagreement.)

There are a couple of verses where I read them differently, but even in his 
listing they appear to be the equivelant to statistical outlyers and not 
central to his understanding of the term.

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>

> On 25/11/2003 18:21, Karl Randolph wrote:
>
> >Dear Peter:
> >
> >My intention was never to be an aconoclast. Thus, when I started with the 
> Gesenius/BDB dictionaries, my notes (which have become a lexicon) started with 
> noting synonyms, antonyms, special usages and to try to give a tighter, more 
> ‘native speaker’ understanding of the words. It was only with reluctance that I 
> later came to contradict BDB, and then only when I understand clear usage clues 
> for a different definition.
> >
> >There are too many times I read XSD in a context where I see (often 
> undeserved) kind actions as volitional acts where there is no obligation to 
> fulfill.
> >  
> >
> Well, here you confirm that you differ from Reinier in your 
> understanding of the word. If you want to evaluate his lexicographical 
> method, you need to either suspend your disagreement or pick another 
> term which you understand in the same way.
>
> I would be interested to see some of the cases you are referring to. But 
> a discussion of the meaning of XESED should be a separate thread
>
> >My concept of ‘loyalty’ often is a volitional action where the only 
> obligation to fulfill is the obligation to one’s actions he has chosen to do and 
> to people he has chosen to associate with.
> >  
> >
> Is this your concept of 'loyalty' or your concept of XESED? It is more 
> or less my concept of both. Loyalty is very often, though not always, to 
> one who has been chosen voluntarily; one pledges one's loyalty to 
> another voluntarily (although perhaps in return for some benefits), and 
> then one has an obligation to fulfil that pledge. I'm not talking about 
> obligation in the sense of coercion and slavery, but of willingly 
> offered service. God's XESED is his faithfulness or loyalty to his 
> covenant pledges to provide for his people; although in English we would 
> not so often use 'loyalty' for the obligations of a greater to a lesser.
>
> --
> Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
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