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Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative
- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative
- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:18:35 -0700
On 14/10/2003 08:32, Ken Penner wrote:
...I think the point about the beginning of narratives was more about what happens immediately after a speech margin. A shift of genre within a continuous work is a rather different matter - and also potentially raises questions of sources and compilation.
Whereas the WPC is the most common verb form in narratives, I do not have
the impression that it is the most common verb form to BEGIN narratives. Try this, to get an impression for yourself:
In the book of Joshua, look for breaks in the narrative (e.g., by lists)
where narrative continuity should not be expected and look at the verb form
immediately following (5:13; 6:1; 7:1; 13:1; 10:15, 16; 13:1; 19:51; 20:1;
21:43; 23:1). Do you see a pattern? I don't see one strong enough to warrant
making statements of continuity _on the basis of the verb form alone_.
Particularly the WYHY seems to occur relatively frequently at the beginning
of narratives. I would be especially hesitant about assuming continuity when
a sentence beginning with WYHY includes a specific time reference.
So what happens at the beginning of a narrative in direct speech? This is not all that common, basically when people are giving a report or telling a story, and even then only when they launch straight into it. This is quite rare, but here are a few cases:
Gen 39:17 - qatal
Gen 40:9 - verbless
Gen 40:16 - X-qatal
Gen 41:17 - verbless
Num 13:27 - qatal
Deu 1:6 - X-qatal
2Sa 12:1 - X-qatal
Can you find examples like this where the direct speech starts with a wayyiqtol form? That would be much more significant as support for the thesis that wayyiqtol is the default for the beginning of narrative as well as its continuation.
So, how much continuity does the verb form itself imply? That's one part ofProbably not. It is well recognised that the wayyiqtol form was less used in later biblical Hebrew and not used at all in Mishnaic Hebrew. One would therefore expect its use to be receding still further in this intermediate form and have retreated into certain specific contexts.
what I am trying to answer in my dissertation. So far in my research on the
Hebrew of Dead Sea Scrolls, the WPC is NOT the form used generally for past
time, or for perfective aspect, or for realis modality, or any particular
combination of time, aspect, and modality. It use is specifically
conditioned; and I am still trying to figure out what those conditions are.
Of course, my findings about Qumran Hebrew may or may not be applicable to
Classical Biblical Hebrew.
Hoping this helps,
Ken Penner, McMaster/DSS
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PennerThesis
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Peter Kirk
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[b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Matthew T. Williams, 10/12/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Paul Zellmer, 10/12/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Trevor Peterson, 10/12/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Dave Washburn, 10/12/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Trevor Peterson, 10/12/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative, Dave Washburn, 10/12/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Trevor Peterson, 10/12/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Dave Washburn, 10/12/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Trevor Peterson, 10/12/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Ken Penner, 10/14/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative, Peter Kirk, 10/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
CS Bartholomew, 10/14/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative, Peter Kirk, 10/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
CS Bartholomew, 10/14/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative, Rob Matlack, 10/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
George Athas, 10/15/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative, B. M. Rocine, 10/16/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Waw Consecutive in Narrative Hebrew Narrative,
Paul Zellmer, 10/12/2003
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