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["Trevor Peterson" <06peterson AT cua.edu>]

Yes--I was referring to the LXX Vorlage. Since I was talking about the
LXX translator, I didn't think that needed to be stated.

Trevor Peterson
CUA/Semitics

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip [mailto:phil-eng AT ighmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:23 PM
> To: Trevor Peterson; BIblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] 
> MT verses LXX
> 
> 
> "I'm assuming, of course, that elohim was in the Vorlage."
> 
> First of all, which Vorlage? The LXX Vorlage or the MT Vorlage?
> 
> In any case, I think that for Psalm 8,there is no difference 
> between the LXX vorlage and the MT vorlage. i.e. I think that 
> the LXX translators simply used the MT vorlage, i.e. the 
> unpointed MT consonantal text as the source text for their 
> LXX translation.
> 
> A careful comparison of the MT against the LXX of Psalm 
> 8:6[5] reveals an almost word-for-word verbatim presentation. 
> It is highly unlikely that the LXX vorlage of Psalm 8:6[5] is 
> different from the MT vorlage of Psalm 8:6[5]. In view of the 
> word-for-word verbatim presentation of the MT and LXX, it is 
> highly likely that the LXX was translated verbatim from the 
> MT vorlage, i.e. the unpointed MT consonantal text. It is a 
> fair assumption, based on available evidence, and the fact 
> that neither the LXX vorlage nor the MT vorlage is extant, 
> that the LXX translators considered the unpointed word 
> elohim, which was in the MT vorlage, and translated it as aggelous.
> 
> Philip Engmann,
> Student, OTS
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of 
> Trevor Peterson
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:05 PM
> To: BIblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] 
> MT verses LXX
> 
> 
> >===== Original Message From phil-eng AT ighmail.com =====
> >Why does elohim occur in MT Psalm 8:6[5], whereas aggelous occurs in 
> >LXX Psalm 8:6[5]?
> 
> I suppose the best person to ask would be the translator who 
> came up with the Greek rendering. Since I don't think that 
> person is on this list, I'll take a stab at an answer. The 
> translator probably felt that elohim has a wider range of 
> meaning than can be captured in any one Greek word (as is 
> often the case when translating from any language to any 
> other). A judgment had to be made as to the meaning of elohim 
> in this context, and angelous seemed like the best rendering 
> to go with. I suspect that the translator had in mind the 
> sense of superhuman beings here, rather than human 
> messengers. I'm assuming, of course, that elohim was in the Vorlage.
> 
> Trevor Peterson
> CUA/Semitics
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