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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX
- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: Trevor Peterson <06PETERSON AT cua.edu>
- Cc: BIblical Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX
- Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:14:37 -0700
On 26/09/2003 12:05, Trevor Peterson wrote:
Maybe the LXX translator was correct. In the Psalms 'elohim can refer to heavenly beings (plural), "angels" of some sort e.g. 82:1,6, 97:7, 138:1, to pagan gods (plural) (if that is actually different), and to God (singular). And there is a real difficulty in taking this as a reference to God, YHWH, as YHWH 'adonenu is the second person singular subject here.===== Original Message From phil-eng AT ighmail.com =====
Why does elohim occur in MT Psalm 8:6[5], whereas aggelous occurs in LXX
Psalm 8:6[5]?
I suppose the best person to ask would be the translator who came up with the Greek rendering. Since I don't think that person is on this list, I'll take a stab at an answer. The translator probably felt that elohim has a wider range of meaning than can be captured in any one Greek word (as is often the case when translating from any language to any other). A judgment had to be made as to the meaning of elohim in this context, and angelous seemed like the best rendering to go with. I suspect that the translator had in mind the sense of superhuman beings here, rather than human messengers. I'm assuming, of course, that elohim was in the Vorlage.
Trevor Peterson
CUA/Semitics
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RE: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
Trevor Peterson, 09/26/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX, Peter Kirk, 09/26/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
Philip, 09/26/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
CS Bartholomew, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
CS Bartholomew, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
CS Bartholomew, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX, CS Bartholomew, 09/27/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX, CS Bartholomew, 09/27/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX, Peter Kirk, 09/27/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX, Philip, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
CS Bartholomew, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
CS Bartholomew, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX,
CS Bartholomew, 09/27/2003
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