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- From: Trevor Peterson <06PETERSON AT cua.edu>
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- Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] There is Qal Passive stem!!!
- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:23:22 -0400
>===== Original Message From George Athas <gathas AT hotkey.net.au> =====
>There does appear to have been a Qal Passive at a very early
>stage of Hebrew. The vestiges of it are seen mostly in the Qal Passive
>participle. However, there are a handful of Qal Passive Perfects and
Imperfects,
>which are usually mistaken for Pual or Hophal forms. There is a short
discussion
>of these in Seow's grammar (2nd Ed), pp.323-24. I'm sure there must be a more
>detailed discussion elsewhere, too.
W&O'C has a pretty good discussion of it, and you should find enough
bibliography there to go further. I should mention, BTW, that although Jouon
thinks these forms actually were vocalized properly but happened to come out
matching the Pual and Hofal identically, most would probably disagree with
him
on this point. The more common notion, that the form had been lost completely
(apart from some vestigial Gp participles) by the time the Masoretes did
their
work, and that the vocalization tradition consequently treated these forms in
the Bible as corresponding, known forms, holds more water. Indeed, the Pual
pft. and Hofal impft. are not the only forms that seem to have been used. The
main problem is that we don't have much with which to identify the Gp, except
to suspect its presence where a Dp or Cp appears and no corresponding D or C
is attested (or if it is attested with the wrong meaning) for the same root.
Once we start looking for them, though, they're not as uncommon as you might
think. Indeed, it's debatable whether they're any less frequent than the
other
internal passive stems (Pual, Hofal, etc.).
>
>The Niphal is strictly speaking not the passive of the Qal; it has just
assumed
>that role in the demise of the Qal Passive. Niphal is passive in sense, but
also
>middle/reflexive; it goes beyond a mere passive to the Qal. The true Qal
Passive
>would employ O-class vowels, just like the passive stems of Piel (Pual) and
>Hiphil (Hophal); the use of O-class vowels is a characteristic of passive
stems,
>and the Niphal doesn't follow this rule.
The different status of the Nifal is obvious from its use of a unique prefix.
But I don't think it's a given that the Gp would have o-class vowels. This is
part of Jouon's reasoning, and his major support is comparison with Arabic.
But the Arabic system looks artificially leveled, and we do need to keep in
mind the possibility that the Aramaic Gp is an older form.
Trevor Peterson
CUA/Semitics
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RE: [b-hebrew] There is Qal Passive stem!!!,
Trevor Peterson, 09/16/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] There is Qal Passive stem!!!, Peter Kirk, 09/16/2003
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