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["B. M. Rocine" <brocine AT twcny.rr.com>]

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Hi Chris,  I am guessing that lots of folks have struggled with this one
given the variety in the ancient manuscripts (see BHS).  I am suggesting
that none of the other manuscripts seems authoritive because of the variety
of testimonies.  I am not spending a lot of time scrutinizing the text
criticism.  Okay then, by the seat of my pants:

The spoilers (of it) are not his sons.  Their blemish!  What a crooked and
perverse generation!

I'll go with a plural subject for $ixet, emending to $ixtu.  I think its
justified by the larger context of the poem as well as the witness of the
ancient manuscripts/translations.

It might seem odd to treat the qatal verb as the subject of the sentence,
but there are a handful of examples of just such a use of the qatal, most
often (if not all) in poetry.

I don't know quite what to do with lo (after $ixet), although it does
sometimes mark the object of $XT.  It might here mark "it," that is, what
was spoiled, but it seems unlikely.  They spoiled the good intentions and
actions of YHVH as spelled out in other parts of the song.  I realize the lo
is questionable, and in a sense, my translation doesn't need they spoiled
"it."  They spoiled something.  They were spoilers.

I might put "with" before "their blemish" as in "those who were spoilers
with their blemish are not his sons."  I think the sense is that their
blemish was the spoiling feature.  But I like the way the phrasing of my
translation echoes the phrasing of the H.

I think the rest is pretty transparent.

Shalom,
Bryan


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Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:16 PM
Subject: [b-hebrew] Deut 32:5 THE LAST WORD


> Dear proffessors and people, Phew what a lot of reading!!!!
>
> BUT I have an idea and would appreciate everyone's contribution.  Can each
> person submit their OWN translation of DEUT 32:5 - with a brief,
additional
> note saying why they interpret it this way, and I won't say anymore.
Thanks.
>


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