Biblical Hebrew Forum

["S. L." <lyosovs AT cityline.ru>]

  Yes,  BDB has it in a very straightforward way. On p.862b (c.rr I B.
intrans.) the only Perf. form it  lists  is 3fs c.a:ra: Is 28:20. It is
definitely a perf.  not an adjective - because of  perf. in the first colon
and also because of penult stress. But BDB does not seem to list Jud 11:7, 1
S 13:6, 1 S 28:15, 2S 1:26, 2S  24:14, Ps 31:10, 69:18, Thr 1:20, 1 Chr
21:13 anywhere: neither under noun/adj. c.ar nor under verb c.rr. (In Ps
59:17, 102:3 BDD has nouns.) HALAT lists all these contexts as intransitive
perfects of c.rr. Js 49:20 seems to be disputed.
Now c.a:rar in Hos 4:19 and Prov 30:4 is an active verb (from the point of
view of both meaning and pattern),  while a geminated verb that has
transitive as well as intransitive uses might well have both patterns
(although I am unable to adduce another example).
   If one compares Gen 32:8 wayyec.er lo 'he became distresses' with Jud
11:7 ka`$er c.ar la:kem ‘when you are in trouble’ one is inclined to think
that both predicates are verbal (if we do not want to introduce a position
of neutralisation in our Hebrew  Grammar for stative perf. 3ms ~ adjective
ms; I hope in most cases the ambiguity can be resolved on the basis of
paradigmatic relations).
   Now bac.c.ar li in Ps 18:7 and parallels seems to be syntactically
equivalent to ka`$er c.ar la:kem (b+ha ~ k+`a$er if we take into account the
uses of the article as a relative pronoun before perf. listed in GK 138i).
  Serge Lyosov

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Îò: Peter Kirk <Peter_R_Kirk AT hotmail.com>
Êîìó: Biblical Hebrew <b-hebrew AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
Äàòà: Saturday, November 30, 2002 4:47 AM
Òåìà: [b-hebrew] RE: c.ar li


>I don't see the problem. What is wrong with BDB's parsing of CAR as a
>noun? This is well attested, BDB notes 27 occurrences as a noun plus 6
>as an adjective, in 15 of which the one in distress is indicated by L-.
>Also the attested perfect form of the verb CRR is not CAR but CFRAR, Hos
>4:19 and Prov 30:4.
>
>Peter Kirk
>peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
>http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
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>From: S. L. [mailto:lyosovs AT cityline.ru]
>Sent: 29 November 2002 07:39
>To: Biblical Hebrew
>Subject: [b-hebrew] c.ar li
>
> Dear list,
>I have hard times parsing Ps 18:7 bac.c.ar li (c. = tsade). BDB 865a
>has it as a noun 'straits, distress': 'in my distress'. HALAT 990b has
>it as Perf. 3ms of c.rr II 'ist in Not', i.e. as an impersonal verb.
>In view of Gen 32:8 wayyec.er lo 'he became distresses' and Ruth 1:13
>'ki mar li mikkem' + Jer 4:18 'ki mar' 'for it is bitter' etc. I would
>take bac.c.ar li for a verbal phrase 'when I was distressed', but how to
>explain the gemination of tsade? GK 138i is rather reluctant to admit -
>without a compulsory reason - the article as relative pronoun on
>perfects, and it does not list Ps 18:7 among the examples.
> The very same 'bac.c.ar li' reappears in Ps 66:14. In Pss 59: 17 and
>102:3 it is written 'byom c.ar li'. To my mind (and against BDB)
>here 'byom' does introduce a Perf. 'c.ar', serving as a relative
>pronoun, cf. Lev 7:35; Deut 4:15; 2 Sam 22:1.
> Does anybody have suggestions?
> Serge Lyosov
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